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[–] 61 points 2 years ago

Maybe infinite growth doesn’t need to be the goal.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    It might have been fake, but weren’t there already reports of Meta blocking links/tags in relation to pixelfed?

    If it’s true, they’ve already proven to be a bad faith actor. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already scraping data from every other instance that federates with them.

    At the end of the day, one side will be right. My moneys on the anti-threads side.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    I don't like the "they haven't done anything bad yet" argument for staying federated, since there are much better reasons for not doing so. They either have already, and we aren't talking about it yet (ex. downranking fediverse content, those closed door meetings with admins), or they are going to once they need to extract a profit.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already scraping data from every other instance that federates with them.

    I would be surprised if they aren't already, and they're likely scraping data from the defederated instances as well.

    I think microblog instances should stay federated because that's the best way to fight against threads. (longer discussion here: https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031)

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I don’t think it can but hear me out for a second. How about we just don’t grow? We’re not beholden to stock owners needing to see growth year over year. Can we just be happy with what we have?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    100% agree with you. Growth must not be the goal, maybe a byproduct. Focusing on growth will eventually compromise the quality of our experience.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    We will absolutely grow. But „organically“ as every other community that stays healthy does. Most people are just used to the inflated expectations that start ups have.

    But yes, I dont see a reason to force growth, especially not with meta.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't think it needs to be our goal, but I think if the fediverse gets popular, we should let it grow. I see this place as an infinite green space for people to come and feel free to discuss their interests. Lemmy's communities ensure that it scales, because you only join ones that interest you. Then the community can enforce whatever spirit of discussion it wants to maintain and people can create another community if they want to try something different.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    My thoughts exactly. Growth is a byproduct of quality. Similarly, if the Fediverse grows too much and quality starts to slip, we should also let it shrink until quality comes back. I think our aim should be quality, and anything else is just a side effect.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes. The argument that we need to grow is a capitalistic one imo. This isn’t a capitalistic platform afaik. Small communities are naturally better, I think.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Now we are trying to make a less obvious headlines to push pro meta propaganda, right?

    We, the signees of the fedipact are not in fear. We know that meta has a horiffic track record of both human rights violations and data security violations.

    Its actually the core reason why I decided to make a new community at !anticorporate@lemmy.giftedmc.com. Those who think that corporate greed and shareholder primacy are cancer in our society are very welcome.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The typo in the title is really jarring for me. It's losing, with a single o 🥹

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Meta’s moral shortcomings are even more reasons to federate with them and try to win over users and pressure Meta to implement better digital rights as well.

    "The terrorists moral shortcomings are even more reasons to negotiate with them and try to win them over."

    Don't negotiate with terrorists.

    Also the article sets up defederation from Meta as if it doesn't do anything. I don't think that's true though.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We need some basic rules,

    1. No single direction federation
    2. Users own their content and can licence it as they feel fit

    With these 2 it would be hard to fuck up

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Users "owning" their content in that way would be the instant death of the Fediverse. If anyone can put whatever nonsense license terms they want on each individual comment or post, how could that chaos possibly be federated?

    A better approach would be to recognize that if you're posting your words up on a giant billboard you're not going to be able to control who sees them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Users "owning" their content in that way would be the instant death of the Fediverse. If anyone can put whatever nonsense license terms they want on each individual comment or post, how could that chaos possibly be federated?

    A better approach would be to recognize that if you're posting your words up on a giant billboard you're not going to be able to control who sees them.

    Would quotes fall under fair use or copyright infringement?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I imagine legal questions would be answered similarly as with email. If I send an email from my abc.com email address to your xyz.com email address, who owns the email? Who has copyright over it? I think the answer should be the same for Fediverse content.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    According to a quick Google search (I'm no expert on copyright law), a sufficiently original email is automatically copyrighted. What constitutes "sufficiently original" seems to be pretty arbitrary.

    So I guess if you post a short story, that's automatically copyrighted. Commenting "this" is not. And then there's a huge grey zone in the middle.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I think the same basically applies to... Anything. I mean a sufficiently original book is copyrighted but a sufficiently unoriginal book is not. Substitute book with any kind of media you want.

    Makes you realize how finicky copyright is.

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  • I mean there are a shitload of reasons to not federate with Threads, but I feel like “it will federate ads to your server” is kinda the only one I should need to mention.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    how can the Fediverse grow without loosing its soul in the process?

    It can't? Rather obvious that the "soul" of a community is defined by it's members and the bigger the community the more mainstream this soul will become. Maybe the federation mechanic offers some solutions here, but that remains to be seen.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Many people like simplistic garbage. You can't convince them to like something better, as that creates demands on them to grow as a person, when they likely have other priorities in their lives that demand their attention more forcefully.

    This is why McDonalds is the worlds most successful restaurant. Not because it is good, but because it is undemanding.

    So, when people think we can pull users from the McDonalds crowd with superior quality, it just makes me laugh.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    Are you sure you don't mean a Universal Declaration of Fediverse Independence from Reddit, Threads, and Twitter/X?

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