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Beeper adds support for Google Messages RCS alongside iMessage, works on Android and iPhone (9to5google.com)
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[–] 40 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (10 children)

Beeper breaks e2e. Only use it with caution

Edit: I don't want to discredit beeper, it's just what it is. As long as you know what you do, e.g. no nudes, everything is fine - it's still matrix.

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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    So can I use this to join my family's group chat because they all have iphones and refuse to use anything but Imessage...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, but they'll have to add you to the group chat using your Apple ID instead of your primary phone number unless you use one of the "workarounds" to get your number attached to iMessage.

    https://airmessage.org/help/guide/phone-number

    The workarounds listed are for Airmessage but they apply to Beeper as well in terms of getting your phone number attached. I've been using method #1 successfully for about a month now.

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    • [–] 17 points 3 years ago

    The way they got iMessage to work is by hiring a Foss developer who did something pretty amazing:

    They reverse engineered the iMessage protocol and emulated parts of macOS that are necessary when registering an iMessage account on a device!!

    https://github.com/beeper/pypush

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Man, I have been loving Beeper so far.

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    • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Is Google's RCS open? Last I heard, it was still limited to Google Messages, but it's been a long time since I've paid attention.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    RCS has open spec, but implemanting it means dealing with phone networks and their policy. Also limiting operating systems like Android and iOS and a blocking factor.

    No need to push it. Good old XMPP is better in every single way and exists since 1999. No tied to phone number, stable, proven, available on any device, with encrypted group calls and easy to host yourself.

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    • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Alas, until they open it up more, it's kinda useless for anyone that isn't already using it

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No, it's very useful. They open-sourced the bridge, so you can easily add it to your own Matrix server: https://github.com/mautrix/gmessages/tree/main

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    What I mean is that there's a "waiting list" to use the app.

    Trad means that if you aren't already using it, the new features aren't useful yet.

    I could probably have just said "anyone scrolling, be aware that there's a wait to use the app" to be a bit more clear.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    How do you mean? I'm actually kinda interested since I have friends on WhatsApp and Signal. Seems like it would make things more convenient by combining both messengers.

    Is there a downside I'm missing?

    Edit: they break E2E encryption for forwarding, so no dice :( https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encrypted-chat-networks-like-imessage-signal-whatsapp

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I don't see any downside, especially since it is mostly open source, so you can make your own server if you want. You'll get Element and Synapse rather than Beeper's fork, but it works well.

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm still waiting for apple to cut it off.

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    • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I avoid these multiple app messaging apps like the plague. Jack of all trades, master of none.

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    • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Anyone know what the beeper monetization model is? This is super cool, but I'm not sure how the company intends to monetize this, which always makes me a bit nervous

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    • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Does Beeper offer anything that Matrix bridges don't?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Is there a Matrix Bridge for RCS? RCS is neither SMS nor is it Google Chat.

    Edit: this isn't to claim Beeper is better. Just stating that technically there is something on offer that Matrix Bridges doesn't support. I think I'd still prefer Matrix with Bridges over Beeper.

    Edit: apparently Beeper is based on Matrix. Can't confirm whether their own repo would introduce any dependencies for their bridge that isn't in the main repo for Matrix. So it's hard to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Beeper adds more polish, meaning that you don't need to manually configure bridges or maintain the Synapse server. It also gives you better indications of what bridge a room is from than Element does. If you know how to set up a Matrix server, you probably don't need it, but it's nice to have the option.

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