Link to original post: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/111932214690841585

Link to news link shown in the photo: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/mozilla-lays-off-60-people-wants-to-build-ai-into-firefox/

Cooperative ownership for all businesses too!

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[–] 47 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Firefox is developed in the open and accepts outside contributions already. The only thing this is adding is a paid membership.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A paid membership to vote on changes and additions to the program. I think that would be pretty beneficial honestly.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    So instead of a free vote you only get a paid vote?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Is there a free vote now? Have I somehow missed this?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    accepts outside contributions already

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't need a co-op for that. Just fork it and make the changes.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The mass won’t even consider being part of a paid membership of a cooperative that’s only purpose is a web browser. That would be the way to drive them even more into Chrome or Safari.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This has some serious "only landowners should be allowed to vote" vibes

    I will say directly that this model of governance is incompatible with the tenets of free software.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago*

    I mean, I don't really think that's a fair comparison because people aren't being forced to use this theoretical browser, so it's not like the "landowners" are making decisions that are forced onto everyone else. It's more of a "We are using our money/labor to build a house here and everyone can use it for free, we just get to decide the layout".

    Free software, in my book, means software, that respects the users privacy and provides them full control over the software, and that anyone can use, regardless of what they plan to use it for, even when they make their own money off of it by using the software to provide a service for example. It does not mean that it's a democratic approach to the decision making process in development.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will say directly that this model of governance is incompatible with the tenets of free software.

    Which of the four freedoms does it fall short of?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    2, and by extension 3 and 4

    Hell depending on what this capital class votes for even 1 might be out the window.

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    because having some capital class dictate the project is entirely antithetical to having the choice to contribute, even the AI stuff is just being contributed by a few large companies who want it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    because having some capital class dictate the project is entirely antithetical to having the choice to contribute

    Why?

    the AI stuff is just being contributed by a few large companies who want it

    Contributing something because you want it is how free software works.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well this just sounds like Librewolf with more steps

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You see cooperation, I see a subscription.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Yeah, I remember how the "community" reacted when they made that homophobic asshole quit. They still won't shut the fuck up about it, about how mozilla cares more about wokeness than the browser whenever there's a girls' coding initiative or the like. I don't want those assholes having a say in anything.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't see much benefit of a fork being a member coop, since the product is already free. I could potentially see a worker coop - if this fork was intended to make a profit, and the people working on it are then incentivized to improve the product because they'll personally benefit, then maybe we'd see more movement and innovation.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The fork is to preserve the core browser experience and provide security updates. If you hate AI jank bloating software, your best options for a browser is Chrome suffering. Certainly, you can refuse updates on Firefox going forward if they commit to this path, but you’re a single missing patch away from being an easier target for bad actors to exploit your security vulnerabilities

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Inb4 Google buys up 51% of memberships and "vote" to move Firefox to Chromium.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Interesting!

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Here you go: Link to original post: https://mastodon.social/@blogdiva/111932214690841585

    Link to news link shown in the photo: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/mozilla-lays-off-60-people-wants-to-build-ai-into-firefox/

    I also edited it into the body of the post for easy reference.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Thanks! After further looking, I noticed that the ars technica article actually didn't actually say anything about cooperatives, which was the reason why I wanted to read it in the first place. Therefore I deleted my request.

    Kudos to you for sharing/editing it, still! (:

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