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[+] 128 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Same thing I was thinking, this obviously isn't going to be:

    Hey, our quality was really shoddy in Arceus already, and then Scarlet/Violet looked even worse while running even worse, maybe we should take our time and really do a lot of perfectionist work next time.

    It's going to be:

    ROFLMAO! Pump out 14 games each year, these bumbling idiots are guzzling everything up we throw at them no matter how bad it is! Manager bonuses go brrrrrrrr

    I will also say that as someone who both still had very fond memories of the really old 2D pokemon games and now played the absolutely stellar Cassette Beasts... yeah no, I already didn't buy the newest generation, and I can't see myself do so again until Pokemon can at least catch up to that tiny indie game in production quality and game design. It completely embarasses Pokemon.

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  • [+] 43 points 3 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    @dinckelman @CosmicSploogeDrizzle Black/White were the best games that the series had. I still don't understand all the hate for these games to this day. The world was great, the postgame was good, and the Pokémon weren't designed as poorly as everyone says.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Because nostalgia is a driving force for this franchise and BW committed the sin to dare not to rely on that. Which is why even when they cut the National Dex in Sword and Shield, they made sure nobody would miss that Charizard was still there.

    They are constantly testing how little they can offer and still have people buy out of sheer nostalgia. That Indigo Disk DLC with the Blueberry Academy looks like it will be very barebones, just an enclosed environment with some Elite 4-like fights, but they made sure to show that all the old starter buddies are back, because they know people will flock to that.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    TBF those had to grow on me, especially the first ones. They were actually challenging, due to changes in how exp gain is scaled. Plethora of activities after the game ends is something that got me hooked for a long time in Black 2, which overall I think I enjoyed a lot more than 1

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It really seems like Gamefreak just can’t handle 3D games, but they’ve been forced to since the Switch is now the only main platform for Nintendo.

    I feel like the games would really flourish if they were taken away from Gamefreak and given to a different studio to handle.

    They get like 3 years between each major title, that doesn’t seem unreasonable. If they’re overwhelmed by remakes and side games then they need to outsource those parts, but maybe they’re worried about being shown up by another studio.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's the thing. Ganefreak needs to up the bar because eventually if they ignore feedback long enough they will be hit with a disappointing release that doesnt sell gangbusters. At that point the IP will be given to a new studio and Ganefreak will be out of work and have a shit portfolio to get new work. These games sell because they are Pokemon games. Without the IP, Ganefreak will be up shits creek

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That can't happen, as Gamefreak owns a partial share of Pokemon, along with Nintendo.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure diamond and pearl remakes were outsourced and still ass. The company just doesn't care enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    They were decently made games as far as I was aware. The main issue I was seeing brought up with them was that they were direct copies of the originals without any real improvements, so you might as well play the originals. I can't remember seeing any complaints that the ILCA games were made incompetently, just that what they ended up making was uninspired.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    That's what I've heard as well. I played the remakes without having played the originals and aside from some minor control things in the overworld and the E4 difficulty spike I had no problem with them. Most of the criticism I heard came from people who were expecting content from Platinum version to be included and basically boiled down to "WTF, this isn't a remake of Platinum". Most gameplay criticism outside of that comes from Diamond and Pearl themselves not being great, and the "not Platinum" argument applies there in that they didn't draw from Platinum to fix the problems Diamond and Pearl had. If, like me, you hadn't played gen 4 before playing these games, I doubt you'd likely have too many criticisms of the game. But it's the internet, so if it's not perfect it's the worst thing ever.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    A common complaint I saw with them was they were Diamond/Pearl remakes, not a Platinum remake (since Platinum had so many improvements).

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Even then, every remake that came before it added something more to the originals than just a 2D sprite to 3D model conversion. Even if they had included the improvements from Platinum, it still would've felt lacking because they added nothing to justify buying and playing the remakes over the originals. Not even the National Pokedex was expanded beyond what already existed back in gen 4, so you couldn't even get the novelty of playing with your newer Pokemon in Sinnoh.

    I guess I'm more upset about this than I realized, but to ILCA's credit, none of my complaints come from the perspective of the game being poorly coded or full of bugs.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Violet/Scarlet is such a slog. Horrible performance, uninteresting boss battles and super annoying cutscenes sprinkled into everything. Some crap story about the “school” and “my dad died and is AI now” and a bunch of weird ass Chinese named Pokémon that look like shit. It’s been painful to get through just for the Pokédex entries and honestly I don’t know if I’ll finish my national dex, probably just find someone to trade me the ones I need still.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I honestly feel that the main story is the one thing they got right, it's not on gen 5s level, but much better than gen 6 - 8. The rest of the game was mediocre at best, and raids do really suck compared to gen 8 raids.

    The open world part would be a lot better if the battles scaled to your level though. Hopefully gen 10 fixes this.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    These new games are so fucking dogshit that I cbf even pirating them. They can get fucked.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They need to have a talk with the Zelda team

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Good. The average AAA game takes at least 5 years to develop and they were working with barely 3

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I went back to old games I was so disappointed in these. Has there been any improvements? I know dlc is about to come out, but I won’t hold my breath that will fix anything. I don’t want to give them more money anyway

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  • [+] 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I’m playing the romhack liquid crystal right now. It’s fun minus some sprite glitches and the fact that the phone/radio don’t seem to work. Can’t figure out if that’s a bug or if they’re story gated. Even with those issues I’m having more fun.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lol conversations on performance when a new console is just on the horizon.They'll just use the additional horsepower to just ram bad optimization through.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    If only they had the time, they could go back to the gen 4-5 days

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Well gamefreak needs to hire some optimizers. I know this is a worn out argument but ToTK just show how much the switch and handle if you actually take the systems limitations into considered instead of just lowering the graphics.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    GameFreak needs time. TotK had a lot of time to get polished.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    I'd agree with this. From story and gameplay standpoints, Scarlet/Violet are among the best mainline games in the series, leagues above Sword/Shield (story wise, don't know if they beat Sun/Moon, though). They gave us an open world, a battle gimmick that's balanced well enough to at least not be broken, allowed us to ride the legendary pokemon (as goofy as the designs are) to get around that world, and let us do things in essentially any order. All things fans have been begging GF for for a long time. Unfortunately Pokemon is a huge franchise that relies on so much other media by design that it's tough to allow GF the time they need to give the games the optimization they need. You delay the main games, you then also have to delay the anime and anime movies, the card game, and all the events built around those things as well. It's a major part of how the franchise has become the #1 grossing media franchise in history. That money train can't wait.

    Franchises like Mario and Zelda, on the other hand, don't have nearly as much other merchandise or other moving parts to their brands that would have to wait for the new game release, and even then, that other merchandise isn't nearly as big a share of their overall brand as in Pokemon; they don't have anime, Mario only has one movie (we acknowledge) that wasn't connected to a specific entry in the franchise, and so without all that other stuff tied to specific games or "generations", other franchises can much better afford delays. They're mainly about the video games, and when a new mainline Mario/Zelda/etc game comes out, it's an event in itself that may actually benefit from a delay to further build hype.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I wish they released Pokemon Emerald on GBA Online than I would be totally happy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Gamefreak? Having 'conversations' about not releasing unfinished, unpolished garbage? Why would they? Pokemon fans have nonexistent standards and will buy it anyway no matter what. I wish I worked for these people, they really lucked into an infinite money printing machine.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    There's really no excuse for these pokemon games to look the way they do in 2024 when games like tears of the kingdom exist. It's not like the pokemon company and Nintendo don't have the budget to make a pokemon game of that level. They just don't want to. Same goes for other Japanese game properties that seem to be resistant to modernize and reinvent themselves

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