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[–] 202 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Please work on tab grouping instead!

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was useful 8 years ago when they removed it, that’s for sure.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Tab groups where natively implemented?

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Yes, they worked differently than the way Edge or Chrome do now and were in many ways superior for tab management, much more like Vivaldi’s sessions but more intuitive. I was a heavy user and so am biased. They said “just use an extension!” but it would crash and lose your session (and imo the extension works even worse today). It was really ahead of its time.

    Few people used it because they didn’t advertise it or make it easily discoverable. You had to know the shortcut already through osmosis or drag the button out of the customize menu.

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221050#c0

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I really hope you can turn this off

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Here I'm still waiting for an official vertical tabs feature.

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    [–] 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    If this defaults to on, I’m turning it off.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Out of curiosity, why? If it's a knee-jerk reaction to change that's completely understandable, but I can't see anything to dislike about the feature itself

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago*

    On top of the fact that those previews are annoying as hell as other comments pointed out, I want to add that this kind of feature also uses a fair amount of processing + memory.

    I think that is a nice opt-in feature for those who wants it but I like my default light and simple.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This has been people's reactions to anything good that comes into Firefox for close to 20 years now

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This is not even close to the worst thing they have ever done, but stuff like this is a waste of resources. People mostly want official vertical tabs and more than anything engine performance improvements. (and the ability to pretend to be Chrome in Youtube)

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    In current versions of Firefox you hover your mouse over a non-active tab [...] to see (after a small delay) a tooltip containing the web page title.

    Uh... what is the point of that? If I am looking for a specific tab then:

    • I probably want to switch to the tab that I am looking for, so staying on the current one is not required
    • if there are a few tabs from different pages from the same domain the difference might be hard to see on a thumbnail (similar page headings with logos)
    • and most importantly: opening the tab is faster than waiting for the delay anyway

    This sounds like a "cool" feature that's looking for an actual problem to solve.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tooltips are a standard accessibility feature. Just because you may not find them helpful doesn't mean others do not benefit. The delay is to ensure they don't get in the way unintentionally (but still allow usage) for those who do not need the accessibility benefit at all times.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    This is quite useful, especially for those sites without meaningful or distinctive names.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This was already a thing for ages until they killed it, but it is still possible if you are okay with tweaking userChrome.css

    Why Mozilla wastes resources on their own implementation instead of providing API's to third party developers is beyond me.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    I miss the days with Opera. Not only could it group tabs, but it had previews too. Mouse gestures. Keyword searches. Page link filters and batch operations. RSS-reader. Chrome didn't even exist back then, and IE and Firefox are still playing catch up. Kinda amazing to think about it.

    Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but having to use chromium rendering engine, it's so many concessions and steps back. Has the mouse gestures, tho.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I think many people in the comments suffer from some version of curse of knowledge.

    Sure, this feature us quite irrelevant for a power user who is quick to navigate the browser and needs a split second to remember what tab it is simply by reading the header and seeing the icon.

    However, many less proficient people can benefit from this feature. Not once I saw how someone who has 10 tabs open and needs to go to a different webpage, starts meticulously clicking through every single one of them because they have no idea how the page they are looking for is called, they are too overwhelmed by using web as a whole to take notice.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Power users love to bash accessibility features like this. Its a classic case of "I don't need a wheelchair ramp so i dont know why the library added one!"

    Accessibility is way more than screen readers. It's more than specific disability-minded modes. The web needs to be friendly to everyone, including people who may not know they could benefit from accessibility features. Everyone benefits from this type of work.

    There are definitely some legit feature concerns and priorities being called out here. Mozilla has left a lot to be desired of late on that front. But a power user is more than capable of jumping into settings or about:config to turn things like this off, or finding an extension to get by for now.

    Also the firefox dev team isn't tiny. This isn't blocking other work or anything in a substantial way, it's a fairly isolated piece of UI, and there's no guarantee that skipping this would change the timeline on anything else.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Have they ever said if vertical-tabs is a feature they will add? Vivaldi and Edge both support it by default and it's awesome.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    1000ms delay seems to be little too much to my liking, changed browser.tabs.cardPreview.delayMs to 500 and it feels much better.

    Preview is pretty short for some reason, it might be related to my monitor (32:9) aspect ratio?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nice! I remember using an extension for that back in the day

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    [+] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
    [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I love tab previews, but I would hate to give up vertical tabs for it. If they would implement vertical tabs + previews, I for one would be happy.

    Anyone know a way to mimic Brave vertical tabs with preview? I can get close, but without preview images and that's what I'm after.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    "We're super excited to announce that we're working on a feature that has been requested by no one ever".

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Yeah I always turn off that previi crap immediately as it usually gets in my way of doing things. Please don't even spend time on this feature, I don't really see the use

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  • [+] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I want to view multiple tabs at once, in a split-page view where I can scroll on one tab, then mouse-over to another and start independently scrolling on that one. It's probably the key feature I miss from Vivaldi. Is there some insurmountable obstacle in the engine that prevents implementation, or is it stubborn devs?

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