He was abducted by Hagrid when he turned 11 so that would place him maybe around the fifth or sixth grade.

I don't know if canonically there are math classes at Hogwarts.


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[–] 204 points 2 years ago (23 children)

I mean, there must be a reason why wizards are constantly perplexed by muggle technology.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Although that could also be them being perplexed by the fact that muggles did it with no magic at all.

    Imagine us discovering a species that developed computers and tech just like ours, but using neither transistors nor electricity.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm not familiar with the series, what's muggle technology?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Muggle is a racial slur used by magic-able people to refer to magic disabled people.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not a slur, you're thinking of mudblood

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There can be more than one slur. Muggle is debatable I believe.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Idk I can't remember anyone in Harry Potter using it as a straight up slur, the worst I can think of is some people use it in a rude way like "The Blacks" or "The Gays". I haven't read them in a long time tho, I just remember mudblood being a slur and muggle being the accepted term, even by muggleborn magic users

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    That's because Mudblood is a magic user born from a Muggle family. A different term from Muggle itself. Pretty sure Muggle is an accepted term in the overall society (it's used in the Ministry's Department name for example), except from a few 'activists' you might hear of.

    I believe there's someone like that in Hogwarts Legacy as well.

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    [–] 178 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Hermione mentioned in the first book that wizards tend to absolutely suck at things that are typically Muggle, like logic, so it follows that they probably suck at math too.

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    [–] 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

    I mean, the very existence of magic kind of nullifies the concept of math as a means to ascertain objective fact.

    What good is 2+2 when 2 eyes of newt plus 2 legs of frog leads to random quantities of dancing forks with literally no respect as to the how because magic?

    Math can't quantify a world where physical laws are replaced by literal nonsense, and if math could ultimately explain the mechanics of magic and predict the outcomes of its applications, the magic wouldn't be magic anymore, it would just be another great force of the universe like gravity or electromagnetism to be mapped by the scientific community.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I always wondered the opposite of the harry potter universe.

    So much of math was difficult to teach or obscure because of difficulties in visualization or computation. Surely there would have been at least one wizard over hundreds of years that could figure out how to use the powers of illusion magic to visualize things? To demonstrate integrals to the unfamiliar? To render a fractal like a julia set?

    Even if magic iteslf followed little internal logic, it could be used as a tool, surely? But that's the sort of fridge logic (warning tv tropes link) that maybe didn't belong in a story book like Harry Potter. I had to stop reading anyway around the time house elves were introduced, anyway. I took issue with that stuff even when I was a kid.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Exactly what more than 5th grade math do you need in such world?

    I think a lot of people forget what they learn in 5th grade math. You learn negative numbers. You learn unit conversion, fraction, prime, square roots.

    Would more math help absolutely. Especially with the logic wizard seems to lack. But it is not like many people use higher level math today anyway.

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    [–] 77 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    "Arithmancy" is their name for math classes and is mentioned several times throughout the books. It is one of Hermione's favorite subjects.

    At one point, the real world evil witch that is JK Rowling suggested that Arithmancy is like dviniation, but with math, saying they use numbers to predict the future. I take this to mean that the wizarding community discovered calculus independently from the rest of the world and mistook it for a new form of magic.

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    [–] 64 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    To be fair, I suspect the average adult in real life probably only remembers, and uses, 5th grade math.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Who needs math when you have magic?

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    [+] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Pretty sure they explicitly talk about those kind of classes in the books. They don't have scenes in them, but I remember Ron and Harry complaining about arithmetic, or mathematics, or something like that.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm sure Hogwarts also covered general education stuff but that would be boring to us so they focused on the magic stuff. That's my theory though.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They literally go through the class schedule in each book. General studies are not in it.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Boring? This is the same universe where wizards canonically defecated in the streets and used fecal vanishing spells.

    However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom.

    https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m just over here chuckling at your casual statement that Hagrid abducted Harry.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    arithmancy - which is pseudomaths in a sense....

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Isn't arithmetic a class in Hogwarts and just a fancy word for maths (not a native speaker)? I think only Hermione takes it though and it's only mentioned in the books.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Most of us only know 5th grade math

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