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[–] 102 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This is my favorite version of this so far.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 157 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I PROMISE the rest will come eventually

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    For those who don't get it, it's the "stop doing science" meme.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 years ago
    [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    I'm actually laughing out loud at the amount of whitespace because thread routine is still executing lmao

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I honestly don't know, why async got so popular. It seems like the entire reason for doing it was that some blokes were hellbent on using JS on a server and couldn't fathom that a second thread might be a good idea.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    A huge amount of time in apps is spent waiting for IO, database or web requests to complete.

    Async prevents locking a thread during this wait.

    If you're handling a large amount of requests in a web server, for example, it allows other requests to progress while waiting for these operations.

    Threads are also expensive to start and manage.

    Also handling threads manually is a pain in the ass.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Async prevents locking a thread during this wait.

    That's a very common misconception. async is just a scheduling tool that runs at the end of event loop (microtask queue). It still runs on the main thread and you can still lock up your UI. You'd need Web Workers for actual multi-threading.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    It can lock up a UI doing cpu bound work. Making a web request, no. Preventing the ui thread from waiting on native IO is what async was created for.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Preventing the ui thread from waiting on native IO is what async was created for.

    Citation needed. async just a wrapper for Promises. IO isn't related, just commonly used with it.

    https://tc39.es/ecma262/multipage/control-abstraction-objects.html#sec-async-functions-abstract-operations-async-function-start

    NodeJS's IO and fetch are just promises. (And NodeJS used to use callback(err, response) before adding promises.).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes I’m simplifying a LOT, but in the context of background web calls, that was what callbacks became so important for. XMLHttpRequest in IE 5 sparked the Ajax movement and adventures in nested callbacks.

    Prior to that, the browser had window.setTimeout and its callback for delays and animation and such - but that’s it.

    The main purpose of all this async callback stuff was originally, and arguably still is (in the browser), for allowing the ui event loop to run while network requests are made.

    NodeJS didn’t come into the picture for almost 10 years or so.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Async is good because threads are expensive, might aswell do something else when you need to wait for something anyways.
    But only having async and no other thread when you need some computation is obviously awful.. (or when starting anothe rthread is not easily manageable)

    Thats why i like go, you just tell it you want to run something in parallel and he will manage the rest.. computational work, shift current work to new thread.. just waiting for IO, async.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ok, I'm a c# developer and I use async await quite extensively. Is it different in JS? Or am I missing something?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Nah, they're very similar, really. You generally kick IO heavy stuff you don't need immediately off to async await.

    There are a few more applications of it in C# since you don't have the "single thread" to work with like in JS. And the actual implementation under the hood is different, sure. But conceptually they're similar. Pretty sure JS was heavily influenced by C#'s implementation and syntax.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago*

    Imagine a webser or proxy and for every incoming request it creates an new thread 💣

    Yes you're right if it's a second or third thread it is/may be fine. But if you're i/o bound and your application has to manage quite a lot of that stuff in parallel, there is no way around delegating that workload to the kernel's event loop. Async/Await is just a very convenient abstraction of that Ressource.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Async rust with the Tokio Framework is pretty cool. Need none of that JS bloat for async.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Honestly I can't wrap my head how to effectively put computation into a thread, even with Tokio.

    All I want is something like rayon where you got a task queue and you just yeet tasks into a free thread, and await when you actually need it

    Might be too much JS/TS influence on me, or that I can't find a tutorial that would explain in a way that clicks for me

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Tokio specifically says not to use it for CPU intensive tasks and rayon would be better for this: https://tokio.rs/tokio/tutorial

    Speeding up CPU-bound computations by running them in parallel on several threads. Tokio is designed for IO-bound applications where each individual task spends most of its time waiting for IO. If the only thing your application does is run computations in parallel, you should be using rayon. That said, it is still possible to "mix & match" if you need to do both. See this blog post for a practical example

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    async/await is just callback() and queueMicrotask wrapped up into a neat package. It's not supposed to replace multi-threading and confusing it for such is dangerous since you can still stall your main/UI thread with Promises (which async also wraps).

    (async and await are also technically different things, but for the sake of simplicity here, consider them a pair.)

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    async/await could be useful if one creates an entire program designed on and for it, but it stops being acceptable as soon as I need two .thens inside of each other because I tried to use fetch in a non-async app without race conditions

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Honestly, I don't get it.

    Is it about the syntax sugar? Would you like to use callbacks instead?

    Async programming is when you achive concurrency even with one thread. It's needed. There's no alternative to this.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    We're here asyncronously waiting for the rest of the meme.

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