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[–] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At the risk of being downvoted, religious laws were often used as methods of survival. Some groups bathed every so often, others had washing face as a rule, some didn't ate pork or shellfish as they would rot really quickly, some would not kill cows because they would lose a long lasting source of rich in nutrients milk or simply the power to plough field thus increasing food production.

So religion didn't cure anything miraculously but it sure helped the communities to survive and the scientific method took a while to be developed.

I'm an atheist but im also aware of the benefits religion had at some point. Remember that the guy that proposed washing hamds between autopsies and child birth was ridiculed.

Sorry for no funny haha :(

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Jesus could've actually saved lives by telling people to wash their hands. Instead, we have this totally unnecessary blood sacrifice thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I was going to say religion is still necessary to control some people because there are some straight up sociopaths that only behave because of the fear of hell, but the fact that they totally believe they're one of Jesus' special little buddies makes me think that makes the issue even worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    There is no evidence that this actually true. Religious leaders say this true, but then they turn around and cover atrocities that their religious underlings are doing, so they're themselves are the counterpoint to their own bullshit.

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  • [–] 131 points 3 days ago (15 children)

    I grew up in the church, they will tell you that since a human(s) eradicated a disease, it was clearly god that worked through them. They always have a workaround bullshit answer

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  • [–] 75 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    This is also true when Epsteiner auctions off a 13 year old

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Yeah the omnipotent God bullshit breaks when a rainstorm floods a girls camp and kills a bunch of them. But then they claim the devil did it, or even victim blame in a creepy and fucked up way wondering if they were really pure Christians or not, or if there’s some mysterious upside or lesson.

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    [–] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Number of times trans people knocked on my door to convincing me or my children into questioning my gender and changing it and my views on the topic, vs the number of religious people knock on my door to try to convince me that I'm living a life of sin, that my values are shit and that I'll burn in hell unless I convert to their religion.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Too many people gloss over the fact how insane it is that some people genuinely believe non-believers burn forever in a magic post death torture world. Like how can someone think that while talking with someone, and be like, aw sucks for them, glad I submit to this ancient chain email creepypasta.

    It still baffles me when I realize someone thinks like that.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago

    Now do which diseases were brought back by religious nut jobs

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  • [–] 41 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I prayed for god to eradicate or decimate those diseases, and he in his infinite wisdom created scientists to do so.

    Checkmate atheists.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago

    That's what I don't understand about creationists. If you believe god made everything, what's wrong with believing God used evolution to do it? If the answer is "take the Bible literally", well that doesn't work because of all the shit in the Bible that they choose to ignore.

    The premise of religion is designed to be bullet proof: god requires faith, don't test god. It's required that you have to believe it without proof. Why add things that are so far out there like "the devil/god made fossils as a trick to test your faith"?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Jokes in you we prayed for societal collaboration and progress. Profit and capitalism seems like a major side effect though 😵‍💫

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago

    RFK JR is obssesed with people getting MEASLES, he should know since he resulted in 86 samoan childrens death

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    Actually, I was praying for them to finish the vaccine. You're welcome.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 days ago (9 children)
    1. Thought
    2. Empathy
    3. Compassion
    4. Humanity
    5. Caring
    6. Not abusing other people
    7. Not raping children
    8. Loving thy neighbor
    9. Not murdering people who believe something else
    10. Letting people be who they are unmolested
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  • [–] 14 points 3 days ago

    Ethics exist independently of any deities even if they did exist.

    If ethics didn't exist separately, and God is actually the source of good, then we would have a lot of logical paradoxes to solve.

    For instance, let's assume God is who defines goodness and educates us on it, and goodness does not exist without God.

    Thus, we recognize we don't have inherent ability to define what's good or bad. But that also means we can't prove God is good, because we already recognized only God can define what's good.

    I might have butchered the logical fallacy a bit, logic is hard, but I remember it roughly being stated this way.

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    [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Covid19 didn't make the cut?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    Is it only US where religious people are like "vaccines are satan" or do other countries have them as much?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    I've seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there's a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses. It dovetails well with scattered cultural prohibitions on anything to do with messing with the blood. No blood donations, no transfusions. Likely related to decades of HIV/AIDS concerns.

    Edit: it's also why a lot of polio vaccines are oral in Africa. Less stigma.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    People in Africa have every reason to be suspicious of white men coming in and injecting them with shit.

    https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/medicine-empires-and-ethics-colonial-africa/2016-07

    https://news.uoregon.edu/content/medical-researchers-africa-must-learn-past-prof-finds

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/4/8/medical-colonialism-in-africa-is-not-new

    So yeah, it is frustrating to see when they push against things like vaccines, but it's entirely understandable given the history of what has been done to these people again and again.

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    [–] 17 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Yes, but…what about bringing back eradicated diseases with anti-vaxxing? Ain't that a miracle.

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    [–] 21 points 3 days ago

    first thought that came to mind.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 days ago

    Had a buddy mention that his friend has cancer and was talking about "I don't think this doctor is good for me I'm thinking about switching to this other one" and he stopped her and said

    "Well when are you going to give it to the real doctor. Jesus?" And went on to say basically don't even worry about it or explore other doctors just put it all in gods hands!

    I fucking hate religion.

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  • Plenty of plagues started by religion, though.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    The people downvoting this should respond with an info graphic. They can use yours.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    Sadly, no religious person is going to be moved by that.

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