I'm only half kidding. I'm a bit of a prepper and I have lots of powerbanks and devices that charge from USB but besides idling my truck I really had no other way to charge any of them in case of a long-term power outage which seemed a bit of an oversight on my part.

Not like this solves the issue. 30 watts (under ideal conditions) isn't much but it's a start.

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[–] 200 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

Be careful. Those things are addicting.

That's how I started: a little 5v, 6 watt panel I stuck in the window to charge my phone while I worked. Then I wanted to charge some other stuff, so I got a 15W panel. 15w panel was nice, but 100 watts was much better, so I bought two 100W fold-up panels like you've got.

Then I bought a big 1 KWh power station that could supply up to 2000 watts. I take it camping and charge it from the two 100W fold up panels.

But, sadly, the demon had its claws in me and refused to let go. "Why should I only use that solar power two or three times a year?" the voice said. So I bought 4x 200 watt panels so I could use the power station to power my homelab and refrigerator during the day.

Still, that wasn't enough to satiate my addition. Now I've got 4 KW on the roof, 32 KWh of house battery, and a 10 KW inverter that is currently powering our house.

Am I satiated now? Only time will tell.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Have you calculated how long it takes/took to pay for itself?

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  • [–] 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    All of the labor has been DIY, and I've got about $9,000 invested in the system components.

    Back of the napkin math, at current electric rates, puts my ROI at just under 9 years. If electric rates keep going up, it'll pay back even faster.

    Edit: Depending on how you look at it, ROI could be in as few as 1.5 to 2 years. This system is in lieu of a whole house generator that would have cost us about $7,000. Had we gone with that instead, it would never have paid for itself (other than peace of mind) and we would have been perfectly content. So if I'm only considering the price difference between this and the generator, it'd only have to pay back $2,000.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I recently got a bluetti for off grid onsite work and it has awoken something in me. It's like carrying a wall outlet around with you, absolutely incredible.

    Needless to say I think I have caught the bug. Where would you point a feller who wanted to walk your path and learn more?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I'm more of a hands-on learner but that can get expensive depending on the hobby haha. For going solar, I'm still very much in progress but definitely on the path to where i want to be.

    Basically the first step is to decide what your goal is. Do you want to go totally off grid? Just reduce your electric bill? Have backup power? All/some of the above?

    If you only want to reduce your bill, check into what's called grid-tied or "balcony solar". That's the easiest to get started with, but it requires cooperation from the electric company since you're feeding back into the grid. I can't do that here, so I went with a standalone/battery-based system.

    Once you identify your goal(s), you'll need to figure out what your "base" load is, and then how much your peak loads are so you know what size system to shoot for. Then you'll need to choose an inverter that can meet those with some extra capacity for unforeseen spikes. I started with a 10KW system, but it's also expandable up to 60 KW( 6 units in parallel). My house only has 100A service, so two inverters would actually give me more power than I can currently get from the power company lol.

    For the panels, you can really only expect to get 60-80% of their rated output most of the time. The rated output is under perfect alignment with the sun, at the perfect angle, and with absolutely no obstructions. In practice, you'll never see that. As an example, I usually only get between 3 and 3.4 KW out of my 4 KW system on the best of days. This is normal.

    For batteries, they're technically optional depending on your goals. If you just want to shave some money off your electric bill, you can forego the batteries and the inverters will happily mix PV and utility to power your loads during the day. e.g. If you're drawing 1,000 watts and only getting 900 watts from PV, then it'll make up the missing 100 watts from utility power.

    I sized my batteries based on my average daily usage plus an extra 10 KWh. We use about 20 KWh per day, so I got two 16 KWh batteries for a total of 32 KWh. That means, if there's no (usable) sunshine at all and we lose power, I can run the whole house for a little over a full day. Any sun hitting the panels will reduce the current draw from the batteries while also charging them if we use less than the PV is producing.

    The longest power outage we had was about 29 hours, but if we typically experienced multi-day outages, I might have gone for a larger battery.

    I had a much longer reply written up, but it barely scratched the surface. So hope this helps in a general sense but happy to answer any specific questions if I can.

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    [–] 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    All i need is a gun to kill the local prepper and I'm set.

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    [–] 40 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Jokes on you when they nuke the sky

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    [–] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Also be careful storing powerbanks at full charge, charge them at 80% or ideally around half for maximum longevity

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Also don't charge devices directly from solar power because voltage changes drastically due to sun movement and clouds. Better load a power bank and use that to charge the other devices as power banks are much more resilient to changing voltages.

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    [–] 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I have stockpiled an absolutely MASSIVE amounts of manure. That shit is going to be worth a fortune in the future. Every paycheck, I dump at least 10% of it into buying the freshest cow pie I can find. The neighbors hate me, but we'll see who gets the last laugh when they sell their in-laws into indentured servitude to afford a bag of my brown gold!

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    [–] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This can power a Steam Deck. Good choice.

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    [–] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The more solar the better. As much as is safe, reasonable, and affordable. A lot of little things add up. Great work dude!

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    [–] 18 points 1 week ago (22 children)

    Yeah 30 watts isn't enough. The rule of thumb for off grid is it needs to be able to boil water (12A power station)

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    [–] 15 points 1 week ago

    I've got one of these for camping. It's great for keeping my phone charged when there is no power available.

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