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[–] 100 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm an engineer. I'm on my phone looking at memes until someone asks me a question, then I do a thing in 5 minutes that they expected to take 5 days because people don't understand computers, then I go back to the memes.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Sounds like tech support, not engineering

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I have been downvoted to hell for what I'm about to say, but I'm going to say it again anyway.

    IT support people are now called engineers. No, I don't like it. No it's not proper "engineering". Yes, language evolves and there's nothing we can do about it. If that's a problem for people, I recommend screaming into the void. It doesn't help, but you feel better after a while.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    IMO no engineering degree, no engineer. There’s some exceptions for incredible self taught folks but they’re drowned out by so many others that just use the title without the skill

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Why stop there? No PE no engineer.

    You can arbitrarily gatekeep the title all you want, but the reality is that engineering is a group of concepts and ideologies that can be applied to many disciplines in many ways.

    Just because the person doing the engineering doesn't meet your personal standards doesn't mean engineering isn't being accomplished.

    There is nothing about the engineering process that requires a degree.

    All that being said. A professional engineer is an actual controlled title. (You can't sign documents as a PE without getting the license, just like an attorney (JD) or doctor (MD)) but far and away most engineers, do not have this title, because most engineering jobs and tasks don't require it.

    Finally, (in most states) you can work with no degree under a PE for four years, pass the FE and PE, get your title and build a bridge. So as far as the most stringent title goes, it still doesn't actually require a degree.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    I know plently of helpdesk guys that do engineering, if engineering is "identify an issue, find and implement a fix." Its varying degrees of rudimentary, but the same could be said about anyone in conputer science.

    The truth is no one in computer science, programmers, SREs or otherwise, are licensed engineers. Why does a programmer have more of a claim to an unearned title than anyone else in the field?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    It's exactly this. No one complains when IT infrastructure engineers design and build systems and call themselves engineers, even though they don't have a PE certification. So if they can do it, why not support staff?

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As an engineer:

    1. Receive or identify a problem.
    2. Design a solution that solves or mitigated the problem.
    3. Usually pay someone to make a prototype or do it ourselves
    4. Test the prototype and see if it solves the problem. If no, go back to #2 until a workable solution is found
    5. Get someone else to build the final thing.
    6. Make sure thing works. Ship it.

    This is a recursive and iterative process. Meaning you will find problems inside your solutions and need to fix them.

    Eventually you finish the thing and get a new problem and do the whole game over again. It’s like a puzzle that requires absurd amounts of knowledge to play well, but anyone could try to solve the problem. That’s why good engineers are paid pretty well.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure they drive trains

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No joke, my wife's grandpa was a mechanical engineer with a degree from Notre Dame, and he chose engineering apparently because as a 17yo, he thought he was going to learn to drive trains.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "The Engineering Method" by Mark Hammond aka the engineer guy is a great read...

    ...is what I would say if I actually purchased books from my wishlist.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I put the data in excel and make colorful charts to show management that their ideas are possible but expensive. Then do the same to show the cost of not purchasing maintenance equipment is in fact more costly than the necessary equipment.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We are real, I am a real person, and I will not be called fake news!!! I exist dammit.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    They just do engineering things.

    Source: am engineer.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Like a scientist but you get paid

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Scientists make something new. One time. In a lab. Under ideal conditions. With 3 PhDs assembling, testing, and running it.

    Engineers have to make the same thing so that their cheap-ass company can hire any gaggle of idiots off any street around the world and train them to assemble, test, and run 500 of the thing.

    Alternatively so those same idiots can buy the product and do all manner of stupid things to it without it breaking.

    Note: not saying all technicians are idiots, but the good ones get paid more so companies eventually go for the idiots instead.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Math using janky excel spreadsheets, tell drafters what we want drawings to look like, but mostly a lot of reading and writing. The secret to engineering (at least in my area) is that communication skills are just as important as technical understanding.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Yuuuup. Half the time you're the expert* in the room and when heads turn to you you have to push the imposter syndrome down and know your shit and convey it well enough that people will listen.

    And having the good sense to know when to say "I need to look that up, let me get back to you".

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    8 hours meeting a day, mostly

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Whenever people ask me what engineering work is like, I always tell them I have no idea. I'm not an engineer; engineers drive trains, I'm just a poser.

    (am computer hardware engineer)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    As an engineer I can say it can be a "hurry up and wait" kind of job. Around the 20% mark of a project timeline I'm 80% finished but then have to rely on a non-responsive authority to answer me back over some obscure part of the project. After that I just nag them and the project manager about it in email to cover my ass then do fuck all until they respond. At the 95% mark they answer back and I have to hurry up to finish. It can be stressful at times but it's not bad otherwise.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    they stand near an engine idk

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm an engineer. Most of the time I solve the tricky technical problems. Other times I design some new technical thing, or I think of new ways to do something.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Half of the job is to fix issues with existing suff, the other half is to make working stuff more complicated and problematic (aka "upgrade"), so that we're still paid to do the first half.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Come on, it's right there in the name. We engine.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    All you need to know is that they keep the world functioning. They apply science and architecture to a human need and fix the problem.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    They're the ears for engines. Engines gotta be able to hear after all!

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    My Dad went to work one day and didn't come back. Guess he wasn't an engineer. All I knew was that he was a sonofabitch.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's an elaborate money laundering scheme. Most "engineers" secretly cook meth and stuff. It's actually super easy to make like buildings and planes because God holds them up until He decides they should fall.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Most engineers don't know either bro

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    They keep the warp core functioning.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    All I do as an engineer is piss and shit and fart

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I started my engineering program at University not knowing what engineering was.

    Thank goodness for that orientation session.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I interned at a mechanical engineering firm. We contracted out field workers to do the real work at construction sites, installing big hvac systems, while we coordinated between them and the general contractor. Much of engineering is about designing things using math and cad

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure they just draw complex pictures of bridges all day.

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