Let's just declare victory after losing!

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[–] 171 points 4 months ago (3 children)

“The full reopening of the Strait is something the Administration is working towards, but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.

No the fuck they haven't. He doesn't even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they'll release the videos of him raping children.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.

    There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.

    Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”

    At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.

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    [–] 93 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.

    Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You're so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we're a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.

    Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago* (24 children)

    Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
    But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

    Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
    These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
    When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
    As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.

    USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it's already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.

    The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
    Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
    A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.

    Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?

    China's Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/who-is-jiang-xueqin-professor-behind-viral-trump-iran-prediction-11170722

    The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
    I actually went back and watched the original video, and it's spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.

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    [–] 54 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Leavitt signaled that Trump may achieve those objectives by mid-April. “The Pentagon has always stated four to six weeks as an estimated timeline for Operation Epic Fury,” Leavitt said in the White House briefing room. "We're on day 30 today—you do the math."

    My math says it's taking y’all a lot longer than you fooled yourselves into thinking.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    "but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said."

    What objectives!?

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    [–] 39 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    The MAGA US needs to lose this one.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Trump already has lost. There's a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they've not surrendered, they're not negotiating and they're only letting through ships they choose to. They're still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They're still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that'll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.

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    [–] 37 points 4 months ago

    Somehow whatever he can't do, or doesn't benefit him, magically doesn't matter! It's like a superpower!

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War

    Then may I ask what is exactly?

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    [–] 35 points 4 months ago

    So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?

    Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don't think you can say you "won".

    Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.

    I'm starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don't really think.

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    [–] 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?

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    [–] 33 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    America is good at not admitting they lost a war. Just ask any war since ww2.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Ending any war isn't their goal. We are the single largest arms manufacturer and seller on the planet. Our economy is war. This whole machine supports our pillaging and our governments priority is spending tax dollars for weapons from their clubs companies, then they turn around to the construction side of the club and give their friends contracts to repair everything they destroyed. Wait 20 years and rinse and repeat.

    Mass murder for profit is our country's legacy.

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    [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    "Great progress has been made ​but, if for any reason a deal is ⁠not shortly reached, which it probably will be, ​and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately 'Open for ​Business,' we will conclude our lovely 'stay' in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil ​Wells and Kharg Island," Trump wrote in a ​social media post.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-again-warns-iran-open-strait-hormuz-2026-03-30/

    Hell of a reaction to something that is not vital.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If he doesn't open it within a couple of months at most, the bulk of oil is going to start being traded in yuan (it's already starting to happen) the gulf states are going to start liquidating their U.S. debt and the investments they've made across the global economy. The problem could spiral out of control really fast. The guy's a total idiot, but I assume they've explained it to him with little cartoons or something and he's finally understood that this time he can't just walk away and claim he won

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    TACO Trump Tuesday strikes again. Trump makes threats, those he's threatening laugh at him, mock him and ignore the deadline, Trump chickens out and tries to make up something else to hide the fact he's failed.

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Operation taco teusday is a great success. We all agree. Congrats everyone. Wheres that George Bush "Mission Accomplished!" banner? Now that we've won lets get our fearsome ICE agents to cover our military's retreat. *cough I mean victorious tactical redeployment back to the homeland of freedom.

    ICE already have a full set of tactical military gear anyway, and punisher patches and everything. They just need some rubber rafts and a push into the strait to finish the Iranians off. They did so well at the airports, its time to unleash their epic fury. No rules of engagement!

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    He really doesnt understand the global markets are interconnected and prices rising on inputs to American products due to logistics costs are the least of our worries.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Retaining Saigon not vital to ending the Vietnam war.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    well that is a relief... now all the US service men being sent to the meat grinder will die to attempt to reopen a Strait that is not even vital to the war effort

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    [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Are we getting an another historic "👍Mission accomplished👍" before midterms?

    Does US have a carrier big enough for Trumps ego and fat ass, or do they need to rename one and pain it "tacky fake gold".

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    [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Right, right... Now, about all that child rape...

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    [–] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, technically, if you just stop attacking the country you started a war with, that might well end the war.

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    [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They've never provided projected timescales. All Kegsbreth has said is "it could take days or weeks or months".

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    He is going to 180 on this later today or tomorrow. He may have thought he'd get an easy win and leave like in Venezuela. Now that it's clear that won't happen, he thinks he can declare that he doesn't need a deal after all and leave.

    This is not a real estate deal and he can't just leave. There are too many powerful people in the world who will find this outcome unacceptable. He is stuck and we are stuck there with him.

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