For the second time this month the Biden administration is bypassing Congress to approve an emergency weapons sale to Israel as Israel continues to prosecute its war against Hamas in Gaza under increasing international criticism.

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[+] 99 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My guess would be that there are many decades of existing treaties and legislation that allows the executive to do this for Israel. Ukraine's troubles are just under 2 years old

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The war in Ukraine started in 2014.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're absolutely right, and while the person you're responding to is wrong about the Ukraine timeline, they're pretty accurate regarding how far back the US relationship with Israel goes.

    A big part of it is probably the US being the first country to recognize Israel as an independent state in 1948, and there's just been a relatively close relationship between the two ever since.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Agreed. The thing is we’ve been supporting Ukraine for a while now- helping build up their military and supply against the Russian invasion.

    Sure it’s a blink in them eye compared to Israel, but then Israel is established extremely well defended. Remember how Trump held up aid meant for Ukraine?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    Oh I agree entirely, I wasn't meaning to sound as such. US government post the year 2000 has always seemed like its stuck in "old ways" of thinking. While Donald Rumsfeld moaned about "lack of imagination" and "unknown unknowns" in respect to 9/11, the reality is the US government and political class do lack imagination, and are largely stuck in routines set down in the 70s/80s/90s that aren't really compatible with the modern world.

    A re-assessment of our relationship with nations like Israel should have been done long ago, and if we're going to continue to be the biggest weapons producer in the world (which is something else I have issue with but is a whole screed of its own), the absolute very least the US could do is actually try to put weapons and training in the hands of people who really need it, who are at the mercy of despotic regimes trying to take over. Which in this instance would be Ukraine.

    Israel doesn't need those weapons, and it can easily be argued that Palestine does.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Israel is officially a US Ally, Ukraine is not.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (47 children)

    Bro, it's like they wanna lose so badly next year election. Listen to the people voting for you, for fuck sake.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago* (24 children)

    Listen to the people voting for you, for fuck sake.

    Are you new here, or did you miss when the Democratic party shut down Bernie Sanders twice in a row because he was gaining momentum and they were like "fuck, we can't have a person who actually cares as President, we might not have as much money!!!"

    Because this is par for the course.

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    [–] [S] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I feel like I once again have to ask why? Why does Israel need these weapons so badly that you have to bypass even Congressional approval? Republicans wouldn't exactly oppose such an approval, they haven't shown any lack of support for supporting Israel, just Ukraine. And Israel certainly doesn't need the weapons for defense, as claimed by the State Department in the article.

    Israel is very handedly and with minimal resistance killing thousands of Palestinians. They don't really need any additional arsenals.

    Unless this is in preparation for Netanyahu's claimed invasion of Lebanon and beyond? Is Biden openly supporting the expansion of the conflict?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This is my question as well. Is Israel running out of weapons? Maybe they could stop blowing the fuck out of hospitals and shit.

    I've been awfully understanding of the complexities of geopolitics for Biden. Publicly supporting an ally isn't a deal-breaker for me, but to do an end run around Congress to give more weapons and money to one of the best armed countries in the middle east so that they can commit more atrocities is a really bad look.

    Still voting for him because fuck Trump and fuck fascism, but this is really hurting my opinion of him.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I think they are systematically mass tank shelling houses in Northern and now Middle Gaza.

    They are using an insane amount of ammo because their goal is complete destruction of all infrastructure so the Palestinians have nowhere to return to.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm really hoping someone runs against him in the primary. I would say anyone, but then I remember anti-vaxxer extraordinaire RFK Jr is planning on running and also orb lady is still out there. So maybe not anyone, but there's plenty of actually good candidates that could run against Biden.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I don't think any of them have a realistic shot at beating a sitting President in a primary. I'm voting not Trump no matter what, and I'll be happy to vote for someone other than Biden, but realistically this is the match up. Biden will get the nomination and the supreme court will eventually rule that Trump can't be kept off the ballot. I've accepted it.

    At least I think it will be really fucking hard to campaign or raise funds from the hot seat in a criminal court pretty much every day leading up to the election.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The absolute refusal to look at the mountain of video evidence of genocide is appalling.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why is this called a weapons sale?

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So why can't Biden sign an executive order to cancel student debt?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Regarding the "it's not aid, it's a sale" point that some have brought up, we give israel billions of dollars every single year and biden has pledged 100+ billion more since the ramping up of the genocide. Whether they're paying for it now or not, they're doing it with our money.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Question, if I vote for Biden and he wins and keeps supporting genocide, does that make me partly responsible for these kids dying? Don't love the prospect of having dead inocent children's blood on my hands.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    A little bit, like saying German citizens were responsible for the holocaust for not standing up against the Nazis. They should have but when faced with violent repression you don't necessarily blame them for not doing more. There is widespread knowledge of the military-industrial complex and the global stream of death for profit, but how many people are blocking ports to stop weapons shipments? We can vote for whoever but there is so much more that needs to be done.

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