If you can feel a very small tinge of existential horror when you read the words "try to", congratulations, you're a true *nix devotee.

If legislators get grumpy about this, just gently thwap them with your handy copy of The Unix Haters Handbook and tell them you're working as hard as you can under the circumstances.

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[–] 206 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Age verification is just paving way for things a lot worse: globally unique identification.

They ( politicians ) will weaponize the inefficiencies in this implementation to push for an online verification later on.

And of course Peter Thiel will be somewhere in the middle

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  • [–] 129 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Your dissent has been noted for later enforcement action, Citizen 1d887190-bfe4-4a22-ae6d-4b519a9c5483.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This makes me nauseous because of the reality.

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    [–] 143 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It’s not about age. It’s about uniquely identifying everyone who uses a computer.

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    But think of all the pedophiles it will stop! Surely you don't want pedophiles to get away with their crimes*? What are you, a pedophile?

    (* T&C apply, if you are a +1B shareholder, please disregard)

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    [–] 111 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I recently read an article from the creaters of PopOS. In that they raise a vaild point. If a child installs a virtualization software (say with the concent of an adult for educational purposes), then they can but browse internet through the VM, with them being the root user, pretending to be adults. It defeats the whole purpose of such verification methods. So their plan would to stick with ID based ones.

    I think this was never about age verification, but to uniquely fingerprint every person using internet and to keep accountability.

    Lets face it, the internet you knew is dead.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago

    These laws are not written by the technically literate. They are written by attorneys based on the whims of old legislators who think that Siri is a real woman that they are talking to.

    While the people who write the laws are competent, the legislators are not.

    At the state level, it's even worse because they are often given legislation carefully written by lobbyists and special interest groups.

    If you have any inkling to run for office, please consider doing so because we need smarter people in every branch of government.

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    [–] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    The problem with that whole situation is the way the law is written the developer is the one held responsible if a child circumvents the check to access adult content. Therefore, developers will have to pay hefty fines unless they:

    -1: Have a way to positively make sure the person enters their age is telling the truth; and

    -2: Lock this value from being changed by the user afterwards.

    Or: Region lock the OS.

    One can see how incredibly problematic this is for both privacy and true ownership and control over your own machine. There is also a lot that needs to be figured out in the law such as what will happen when someone inevitably finds a way to hack the system to circumvent it, especially the region lock. Ultimately, big tech has deep pockets and can shrug off the fines but small nonprofit open source projects will be killed by them.

    This law is specifically designed to kill nonprofit-run and private software like Linux.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    All of this seems impossible to enforce in the FOSS ecosystem. People can just fork the software and remove any restriction they don't like. That's kind of the whole point of free software. Users are free to use their devices however they like, including in ways that are not intended by the devloper.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You're right. Computing devices need to be locked down in such a way that prevents consumers running software that isn't signed by an approved/licensed software vendor owned and/or favored by an oligarch and existing general purpose computers need to be made illegal. We don't need "hobbyist programmers" anymore, humans have no place writing code.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This law is specifically designed to kill nonprofit-run and private software like Linux.

    I do not know if that is true. Most of the political hacks writing these bills have zero understanding of computers and do not even consider Linux in the equation. They see Windows, iOS, Android and macOS.

    This is more aimed at mom and dad with three children who have tablets for all the shits and take no responsibility for what the kids do with the devices.

    Linux devs will just step back from releasing code packaged with installers and users will have to compile and set any given program up themselves.

    I use MacPorts and Homebrew for what I need.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    By definition of this new law, is Linux an OS? It is technically just the kernel. At what layer of the software stack does the responsibility of age verification lie at?

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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Akahually at my work we used a third party authentication PAM module that uses the gecos field for username mapping.

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  • export AGE=OLDENOUGH
    
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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    "Must be outside of California, Colorado, and Brazil to download or use this install ISO"

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    [–] 28 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Pass.

    Its my computer, I own it, gtfo and let me use it how ever I want.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    sure, but if an application β€œrequires” age verification for whatever reason, would you prefer the functional equivalent to clicking β€œi’m over 18 pinky promise” as a standard, or they use biometric data that they all implement differently and then there’s like 33.7 leaks in the next 6 months?

    like the whole thing is bullshit, but a file on disk is a wink wink nudge nudge sure we are compliant bud

    the true unix way: if you text editor you own the world

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Using linux is not proof enough?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I used my first distro at like 13 lol.

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    [–] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We don't comply, is what we do. We ignore stupid fuckin' laws made by idiots who clearly have no idea what consultation is. It's time open source tech starts to diversify where it keeps its HQ and base of operations.

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    [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    Or maybe we shouldn't do age verification

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder about all the little IoT things we have that run Linux but have no interface other than a button or 2. My garage door opener, a picture frame, my lawnmower, my vacuum, my switches, my modem, my cameras....

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    The best part is that this can be POSIX compliant too!

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Just set up an audio based check, prompting the user to make dial up modem connection sounds into the microphone. If you do it well enough, you're good and old.

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    #/etc/nixos/modules/age-verify.nix

    { config, lib, pkgs, ... }:

    {

    services.age-verification = {

    enable = true;

    age = 18;

    };

    }

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Or you can just refuse to operate there, if enough developers do that It'll force them scrap it.

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