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[–] 90 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

Fusion kitchens are the best and maybe the only good thing to come out of colonialism. Indonesian-Dutch food slaps. Vietnamiese-French cuisine kicks my ass. Must I bring up Italian coffee or Swiss chocolate? Turkish-German Döner is so popular it is sold basically everywhere now.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well, colonialism did bring tomatoes and potatoes to Europe.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Fusion kitchens are the best and maybe the only good thing to come out of colonialism

    Well, there's also a pretty good music that jazz doesn't happen the way it did without putting European instruments in the hands of formerly enslaved Africans. Would be a lot cooler world if we could figure out how to evolve our art and culture without crimes against humanity, tho.

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    [–] 78 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own. I think the difference with the US is that there isn’t an ancient history to form a basis.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own.

    Perhaps more importantly, every generation remixes their parents' and grandparents' food.

    French, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Mexican food aren't the same as they were 50 years ago. Lots of new dishes were invented and remixed, sometimes from imported influence. It's not like chefs sit around and refuse to do anything different from how they learned. They do invent and innovate and tweak recipes. That's, like, the job.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Most of what constitutes “traditional” American cuisine is broadly based on European traditions, with British, French, Italian, and German influences being the most dominant. Though many of the recipes have changed and evolved over time, you can still see the influences pretty clearly.

    Take the classic Thanksgiving dinner, for instance: although many of the ingredients (such as sweet potatoes and turkey) were unknown in Europe, the way they are prepared is still very similar to how Europeans prepare traditional holiday roasts.

    Also, a “proper” meal generally consists of a chunk of meat, veggies, and carbs, usually all prepared separately, or sometimes as a casserole or a stew. Stir-frying is not that common, for instance, but frying, roasting and baking is. If you look into the history of any particular American dish, its roots can often be traced back to the exact wave of immigration that went on to popularize it.

    Depending on the region, however, you may also find Native American influences, such as Creole, Cajun, Tex-Mex, etc.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm glad someone brought up Native American influence. It's more widespread in American food than people realize.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, technically, even the use of tomatoes or potatoes is Native American influence. Except those have become so ubiquitous in European cuisine that no one would even consider for a moment that they were completely unknown there just 500 years ago. Imagine Italian food without tomatoes, or German food without potatoes…

    Corn as well, though that didn’t catch on quite as much on the continent, where it’s still mostly a boring vegetable, while Americans use it to bake as well (not to mention putting it into literally everything ever since they figured out HFCS).

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    way to brush off thousands of year of native american dishes :/

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Stop it, you know what I mean. I’m talking European colonials which formed the basis for the modern US, even if it shouldn’t be that way. They stole Native American food too. The combination of these things formed the basis of “American” cuisine, but it wasn’t long ago in a historical sense.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Yes. I view Chinese American food as American food. Sweet General Tso's Chicken, orange chicken, fortune cookies, crab rangoons, etc. Basically anything they overly sweetened.

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    [–] 47 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    My wife is Australian, but we live in Germany now. Last year, she was craving "Honey Chicken" which is ubiquitous at Chinese takeaway places in Australia. None of the Chinese places in Germany knew what I was talking about. Turns out Honey Chicken is a purely Australian invention.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    @fell
    > Turns out Honey Chicken is a purely Australian invention

    Like butter chicken from Indian restaurants ... in the anglophone world only, apparently. What is with us anglophones and our propensity for consuming jungle fowl in yellowish fluids?

    @FoxtrotDeltaTango

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds good! Is it close to orange chicken or General Tso's chicken in the USA?

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    Fuck all of you. Go to New Orleans in a week when crawfish season starts and eat some mud bugs, some blackened redfish, jambalaya, gumbo, cajun crawfish etouffee, etc. Best food in the world.

    Also, king cakes.

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Umm... it's not mexican, chinese or italian but also american food doesn't exist?

    I can't tell if this was the joke or the meme just wants to shit on americans for stealing and mangling everyone's food...

    Also, jalapeño poppers.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    I think the joke is that Americans like to adopt foods or cooking techniques from other cultures, then change them to fit local tastes. This is how a lot of "traditional American" foods came to be. There is also a stereotype that American cultural practices (gastronomy included) are "not real" or that American culture as a concept doesn't exist because it comes as a fusion of cultural practices from other countries. The meme is poking fun at people who may hold that belief.

    People also have a habit of describing the American versions of things to be "not real", even if it never really claims to be. For example, fettuccine Alfredo in the US is an adaptation of fettuccini al burro (a real Italian dish), but is described as "not real Italian food" because it isn't actually eaten in Italy. Or that orange chicken is "not real Chinese food" because it isn't eaten in China. Which, to be fair, is true, but most American diners are aware that Panda Express, Olive Garden, and Taco Bell aren't accurate representations of food eaten in China, Italy, or Mexico. They're Americanised versions of food inspired by Chinese, Italian, and Mexican cuisine.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Notably, Americans are not the only culture that does this.

    There's a Thai dish called 'American Fried Rice' for instance.

    American fried rice is a Thai fried rice dish with "American" side ingredients like fried chicken, ham, sausages, raisins, and ketchup.[1] Other ingredients like pineapples and croutons are optional.

    At least in any part of America I've been to, this is certainly not something you can get here.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure all cultures adapt and learn from other cultures. That's just how human culture develops. Vietnamese takes on French favourites resulted in bahn mi and Vietnamese coffee, both of which are very good. Poor Hongkongers wanting to eat like Brits resulted in Hong Kong's famously weird "Cha chaan teng" food and Hong Kong-style milk tea. And, of course, Europeans went crazy over Mesoamerican chocolate and created a cornucopia of confectionery products made from the cacao bean.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    You’re right, this is normal. Off the top of my head:

    • tempura originated because of the trade between the portuguese and japanese

    • portuguese monopoly on cinnamon trade with Sri Lanka and India, allowed Europe to get it for cheap and it became a main ingredient in a lot of desserts and confections

    • the UKs tea culture came from a portugese noblewoman, who learned it from China

    Cultures are constantly taking ideas from each orher

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    I'm a white boy but in highschool my best friend was 1st-generation Chinese-American.

    His parents owned a Chinese restaurant that I worked at...Americanized Chinese, like everyone in America is used to.

    While I worked there his parents also opened up an authentic Chinese restaurant.

    Most of the stuff on the menu, Americans would ball at. There were dead ducks and pigs hanging in the window.

    But I tried cow tongue there for the first time. It was amazing. And something else with white sauce I don't remember what it was but it was so damn good.

    I had a falling out with him, and the parents lost their restaurants in COVID.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    [off topic?]

    Great classic mystery novel, "Too Many Cooks" by Rex Stout. Nero Wolfe is a 300 pound private detective who hates leaving his Manhattan brownstone. He investigates from his armchair, sending his assistant Archie Goodwin to round up clues and bring him folks to interrogate.

    Wolfe is a famous gourmand and is invited to give a speech on American food to a group of European chefs.

    Interesting novel on many levels.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like if you know what typical American breakfast foods are, "breakfast taco" is pretty self-explanatory.

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (23 children)

    America has, by a long shot, the most diverse and some of the best food on the plant. Go to one of the big three and you can have 3 star Michellin from every continent or some of the best street meat shit you'll have on the same day.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Tbf the kind of cultural fusion cuisine you get when another culture successfully imports another culture's cuisine, is super interesting to me. I'd say this stands separately from intentional fusion restaurants, this is more something that happens organically as a cuisine is adapted to the ingredients and tastes somewhere away from where it is invented.

    The classic examples are Tex-mex and British curries, but every country has a few things like this. Japanese Italian is a pretty cool experience, not least of all because now I think about it there's some places that are straight up Japanese/Italian cultural fusion, but others are more Japanese/Italian-American, so this thing can go deeper. And don't get me started on the godlike German/Turkish magic happening on the streets of Berlin

    Always been a fan of trying local cuisine when I've travelled, but I've more recently been trying to add places like the above into the mix, as it's genuinely always been interesting to me

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    First they say 'that is not our food'.
    Then the say 'all you do is eat our food'.
    Make up your minds.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Why are all nationalities chads except the Italian is a wojak?

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    [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I wonder how much of this applies:

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