Looking for non-US cloud storage. The more paranoid the better!

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[–] 58 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I can recommend Hetzner Storage Boxes. The company is located in Germany, but you can choose server locations in Germany and in Finland. You can set it up with Rclone's Crypt feature to encrypt all your files.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I've been using Hetzner boxes for my backups, although I did need to send them a copy of my id, which may or may not fit the paranoia thing.

    Of course, encryption is always worth it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    They never asked me for that (UK here). Was up and running with just the basics in minutes. Are you on a list? 😅

    They do have a waiting/payment cycle period on their server offering before they'll open mail ports. Once you qualify, you still need to raise a ticket to ask. That was a bit annoying as my new ISP is stricter with the ports than prior, meaning I had to wait before my relay workaround could send mail.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Same setup here, Hetzner/Rclone with enc. Script runs daily on the NAS to beam everything up. Very happy.

    Make at least one offline copy of what you need to decrypt and keep separate though. An inaccessible encrypted backup is no backup at all.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    https://filen.io/

    Not pricey, e2ee clients, open source, servers in Germany, 10gb free tier to try them out. Been using them for a few years now. The clients used to be a bit crap but they're very good now.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    Others have suggested: encrypt data on your side and you don't need to worry about where you store it. Cryptomator is a good option.
    As for storage, the feedback on Hetzner boxes seems to be good and i'm happy with mega.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just use client-side encryption, then it doesn't matter where it goes

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    Kopia is great for this. Choose your encryption, built in support for different provider storage tyoes in the GUI to choose where to go, dedupe, folder structure scramble, etc...

    But their flatpak hasn't been updated in ages...

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What about hetzner storeagebox? https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box/ with client side encryption ? It's cheap and reliable, supports all common file transfer methods - the encryption can and likely should anyway be done by your preferred backup tool?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I would like to second this. Me personally I am pretty happy with using a storage Box as one of the Backup locations. It is on the pricier end, so I only use it for backup of certain file types (e.g. not for storing video backups or Disk images)

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Then don't go to the cloud! (or use encrypted storage if you really have to)

    My view: Unless I can access the hardware 24/7/365 the data isn't mine for 'they' can deny me access to my data anytime while they keep full access. (hence store it decryped)

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A hard drive in a PO Box; data encrypted. Retrieve it occasionally to sync it with your local storage.

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    This is good, if they:

      1. Understand & trust what you're doing and don't fiddle with it
      1. Don't understand and just don't fiddle with it

    Luckily I have a family member that fits one of those categories.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I completely get the paranoia component of needing to control all factors involved. I have that too regarding my data. But at some point trust is needed.

    PO boxes can burn down. The power grid can fry everything. Even the backup as soon as you plug it in. The government can create a kind of gestapo and let them loose and you won't have the right to run a server anyways (uh?). Etc..

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Borg Base offers EU based server locations. They have been awesome to work with.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    if this is for privacy i'd just use the cheapest/fastest option that supports rclone and use its encrypted upload feature.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    As the prices widely varry by storage size, you may want to add a size estimate, but i can say that anything above a couple tb is probably more expansive than finding a selhosted solution.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
    • shadow.tech (fast, not so expensive)
    • Proton Drive
    • or look for a managed Nextcloud solution (Murena Workspace, etc.)
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    pCloud is pretty good, and there is an option for an EU server. It doesn't have a Linux client though, so now I use Jottacloud, which is hosted in Norway and has a (CLI) Linux client that works quite well! I also have a locally hosted Nextcloud instance as another backup. More backups is always good!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    pCloud has a Linux client. Both GUI and CLI. But I personally use rclone for all cloud services. It is often even more reliable and offers better performance than official clients. It also allows managing multiple cloud services from the same place. It supports client-side encryption as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Syncthing for synchronization between devices, then rsync to a couple of flash drives for cold backup.

    The setup is so easy, you don't even need a server for this, just your ordinary PC.

    There is no more paranoid solution than owning your files on the devices you own as well, so you never have to trust the third party.

    Additionally, clunky all-in-one self-hosted solutions like Nextcloud bind you to their ecosystem, so it may be hard for you to switch to another one.

    Just a plain file backup to your own storage will always be a savior for your lost data, regardless of third party apps or infrastructure.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I currently use Infomaniak object storage with restic. I like it since it's Openstack and if they ever go to shit I can easily switch to another Openstack provider. OVH is also one I have used in the past.

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    Syncthing and an old android device with a big ass ssd connected

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    I used to use B2 before the whole CEO financial issues came out (not another one accused of something unsavoury) and wasn't sure how it's going to pan out. I switched to a cheaper (per GB) Hetzner storage box and am super happy with it

    I use restic, specifically https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest for making backups and uploading them via rclone.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Can you link something about the Backblaze CEO? I'm not finding anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It was some dodgy accounting accusations/reveals https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/04/backblaze-responds-to-claims-of-sham-accounting-customer-backups-at-risk/

    For me it was an excuse to try something new and cover my ass just in case this didn't pan out. But overall it looks to have blown over

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/29/backblaze_sham_accounting_claims/

    Backblaze strongly denies all the allegations, and claims instead that Morpheus is attempting to manipulate its stock price for financial gain. The firm admits to holding short positions in Backblaze shares.

    Not saying that the Morpheus report isn't true, but that's a pretty damning conflict of interest.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    alwyzon storage server in Viennese data center

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