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[–] 156 points 6 months ago (5 children)
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    [–] 148 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Social housing typically doesn't look as good as high-end apartments, but it doesn't have to look terrible. Here's some pretty neat looking social housing in south Paris.

    It's kind of the China Town of Paris.

    It's right next to an accessible tram station, has green spaces and social areas spread around, a couple of malls with great independent restaurants right next door. There are cycle lanes all around the place.

    If you're curious, here it is on Google Maps

    I'd live here. I only wish there were more neighbourhoods like this.

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    [–] 112 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    They're called commieblocks if they're affordable to the average person. If not, they're "highrise apartments"

    I live in a city with neighbourhoods built during Socialism, they're spacious, full of greenery and with important services within walkable/bikeable distance. Meanwhile we have new "urban villas", which are drab concrete boxes with apartments that have bizzare floorplans and seem to be built for money laundering purposes.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    drab concrete boxes with apartments that have bizzare floorplans and seem to be built for money laundering purposes.

    I am so happy I'm not alone seeing it. Modern "development" is such a massive scam, in every country it seems like. It's the new equivalent of logging or mining barons- they buy up land, build shit on it, sell it overpriced, wash their hands and move on to the next project with little regard for long term urban city planning. They are creating forced gentrification.

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  • [–] 91 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Also part of why it looks depressing is because it's old and poorly maintained.

    Just a touch of renovation and the houses start looking way better: 1000103747 1000103748

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ugh. Disgusting.

    Give me a single structure on a plot of land, 10ft from my neighbours walls, and a lawn to maintain, any day I live for the additional costs on the place I never spend the best hours of my day in. Worth every gallon of commute fuel. My brain is so aerodynamic.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This, but unironically. People suck, give me distance. I'll let the lawn die.

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    [–] 69 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    High rise apartments in Seoul Meanwhile in famously communist South Korea...

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ah, the beauties of capitalism.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Stayed in an probably illegal Airbnb in a Samsung apartment in Jeju 10 years ago. It was nice. Apartment complexes are not bad. We have to them in beautiful Switzerland too. If the building is well maintained and the surrounding is full of greenery, and local shops, and entertainment, then they are a valid option and I'd prefer them over sprawl and cul-de-sacs.

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    [–] 63 points 6 months ago

    take notice of your capitalist car park next time you go to big box centre. more depressing than housing

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  • [–] 54 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Copying and pasting an old comment i made:

    Honestly, commieblocks arent that bad. Most of the pictures of them are cherry picked to be the unmaintained, dirty ones, and are exclusively taken in gloomy weather. The houses on the inside are usually good quality as well (though likely not well maintained anymore).

    Hell, if you just painted them colourfully, they'd look nice.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    And that is just the façade, some places renew the façade every few decades to keep the place fresh and desirable.

    the benefits of high density urban design are also amazing and I assume I do not need to list them here. this is lemmy and I just need to wait for the appropriate autist to list them all.

    And how is it controversial to build housing for everyone, instead of some pretty houses for those who can afford it.

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    [–] 42 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    When the coops that own and manage these houses hire creative architects for renovation, you can these buildings to be much less bleak looking. They mostly miss coloured paint. The gray plaster they used is what makes them look shit.

    Otherwise these buildings often have quite clever design in regards to natural light for all flats as well as relative quietness even when next to busy roads.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    this is more to do with it being in moscow and built some 50 years ago, not with it being "left-wing" (whatever that means). Social housing around the world can look much better than this

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    How the hell is this "left wing architecture"?? Apartment buildings have looked like this all around the world for at least 50 years.

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The only thing more depressing than left wing architecture is right wing architecture

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I don't see this as left or right wing

    This is architecture that could be done better.

    Yes, we need to stop homelessness, but you also want to avoid creating spaces where nobody wants to live because it's ugly and depressing and guaranteed, the poor end up having to live there, and with that comes crime and what not and you end up with ghetto style areas where even police is uneasy

    Take a little bit more space, put a little bit more thought into the designs, add spaces for children to play, add parks, make it look nice. Wr don't need luxury villas either, but there has to be something better than this

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    In my country this type of building came about in a society where many still lived in wood sheds without electricity or running water. Where people shared outhouses with their neighbors in the yard of actual residential buildings. Where every residence on average was overpopulated.

    The architecture of the time homed huge amounts of people with running water, indoor toilets and electricity. Indoor heat without needing a fire.

    The areas where they were erected weren't much to look at before. The buildings today may be unappreciated but I find them lovely in a way. They're a shadow of a society that cared for it's citizens.

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    [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    A spot in one of those for a family in Berlin costs 650.000€ because of how great the non-communist economy is doing at creating affordable housing. That is 14 times for median salary before taxes, or 21 times after taxes. https://www.immobilienscout24.de/expose/165160850

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    in prague, it is 2 monthly median salaries per squared meter. there was a lot wrong with the fucking "communism", but accessible housing was not it.

    this post is a work of some ignorant teenage edgelord, the title does not even have anything to do with the screenshot.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Wtf is a left wing architecture.

    The shit far right comes up with sometimes melts my brain.

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    [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Lots of trees there. That place still looks pretty nice in the summer.

    A quick web search had someone say it's Yaroslavsky District, Moscow and while I'm not entirely convinced (having trouble matching the photo to a map), in the summer it will probably look similar to the photo of Yaroslavsky District on Wikipedia.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    We lived in similar housing back in the 80's, and the surrounding area was nothing but lovely greenery and forests, by design. Then the 00's came around and they privatized everything, sold the apartments, and cut down all the greenery. I don't know why, it's just something they do, like, they had to create low income jobs somehow and decided the best way is to equip parks&rec with chainsaws and just go around and cut shit down to validate their own existence, so they could show their amazing statistics.

    Now everything is barren concrete, and it looks way more like actual grey communist dystopia than it did before. Go figure.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure what "left wing architecture" means. Because, to me, this looks like the sort of thing you have to do when the population grows like crazy. Those tend to be areas where women have little education and little power.

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    [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I've seen this posted before. Important points to consider: Imperial Russia had a housing shortage in the cities due to industrialization occurring and the existing housing was often of poor quality. According to one source: "In major cities, a significant portion of housing consisted of barracks, basements, semi-basements, dormitory-style rooms, dugouts, and semi-dugouts."

    Then WW1 hit followed by the civil war and housing construction essentially stopped with some housing destroyed in the war. Then in the interwar period, priority was given to industrial construction in the USSR, resulting in low housing construction volumes, with a significant share consisting of temporary housing. Rapid industrialization and increasing population shifts to cities increasing demand. Then WW2 hit and huge amounts of existing housing were destroyed in the fighting.

    So the USSR was in tight spot and did the best they could with limited time and resources which for most Russians ended up being a huge improvement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_construction_in_the_Soviet_Union

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Most of the issues with this era of housing projects stem from the fact that the plans for upkeep were abandoned. Most of the buildings themselves were solid and very modern and with the right maintenance they would've been in much better condition than they are now.

    The buildings that have received that care and attention still look great. Not all the areas were well planned but most of the time they're fine.

    And that's without constraining that judgement to Russia specifically. Many of the countries that built like this were very ambitious but the ambition faltered with time as the resources allocated to maintenance were used for other things.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I hate our society's fixation with ugly utilitarianism. We could be making beautiful things for all of us

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    [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Semi relatedly, there's some new blocks in my city that are both ugly and expensive to live in. It's this soulless, almost corporate feeling type of architecture. Doesn't fit into how the city looks at all. They had the opportunity to decide whether to build affordable housing or something pretty that aesthetically fits into the city and picked neither. No doubt the shareholders shed a tear of joy.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    This litterally looks like any neighbourhood build in Spain in the 60s.

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    [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    homelessness

    Data centers, that empty parking lot outside the abandoned mall, deportation camps…

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just paint them some color bruh. It would do wonder.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    One interesting thing I'm noting is that picture appears to have been taken on a rather dreary winter day. I can see a lot of trees between the buildings, and I'd be interested in seeing what this place looks like in other seasons and better weather

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I actually wish they’d build more of those than the overpriced “luxury condos” people build now that no one can afford.

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