Solution 2 in the post, multicommunities. I'm not sure it actually solves the problem though, as you still have to go to the actual community to post and I imagine multicomms add an extra layer of confusion to that.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

You can post from the multi community/feed, you are then asked which community you want to post to

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Clicking though to community to post and selecting a community from the create post page are same problem rearranged. A user who subbed to ~technology@piefed.social isn't going to know the difference between !technology@lemmy.world, !technology@lemmy.zip and !technology@piefed.social.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

To be honest that's a problem that can't be solved by tooling, it's a human issue.

I know why there is

If people don't want to consolidate similar communities and just keep them existing next to each other then users have to figure out the differences (sometimes there are almost none) between two communities.

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah, people are tribal and decentralisation lets people express that in ways centralised platforms don't. Something, something, tech won't save us.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 2 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Crosspost comments consolidation example: https://piefed.zip/c/fedibridge/p/794856/r-buyfromeu-asking-for-a-reddit-alternative#post_replies

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[–] snooggums@piefed.world 15 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

"Separate conversations are splintering discourse, we should all just shout over each other in one massive wall of text!"

The separate communities across instances is a benefit of federation just like separate posts are a benefit over a single thread for everythjngs. Yes, features that allow them to be combined for those that want that way of interacting is great, but we don't need a single news community between all instances when there are can be massive differences between instances.

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[–] doenerpate@feddit.org [S] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

you’re right, definitely something I hadn’t really thought about. I just don’t get the sense that some communities are intentionally spread across different instances. Like there are two Plex communities on two separate instances that basically talk about the same stuff. I guess it’s just part of getting used to things, and it throws me off a bit since I’m still new to the fediverse.

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[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 3 points 8 months ago

Proposed solution 3: Communities following communities

The ability for communities to "subscribe" to other communities is an idea that comes from this Github comment. This is, in my opinion, the best proposed solution by far. Community a can follow community b, making posts from b also appear on a.

What this means is that community moderators can choose to have posts from other communities to show up on theirs. That means if all the pancake communities are following each other, I can post on pancake@a.com and it would show up on the other pancake communities as well, and the comments would simply be grouped into just one post!

The main proposed solution doesn't force merging on anyone. Mods can decide whether or not they want content from other communities to show up in their space. No two news instances have to merge if they serve different audiences.

It isn't explicitly called out in the proposal but I could easily see there being an option for mods to unlink individual posts from other communities if they get too spicy.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 8 months ago

Exactly. This is a non issue and actually a feature.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

This is a non issue. Different communities and instances have different rules, norms, cultures etc. There's no need to smash everyone together in a monoculture.

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[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Technically, I agree.

Practically, I myself have experienced several fragmented communities about the same topic with similar ethos. This was not a healthy separation based on different norms. It was simple, ineffective fragmentation. Or, at least the ethos and norms differences wasn't clear.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 8 months ago

I feel like it is just a matter of time before either:

The fragmented communities develop more and become distinct, so that they are more unique and shouldn't merge.
One of the communities becomes the more popular "default" option, and the other becomes less active as people gather in the more popular one.

Even if that doesn't happen, redundancy isn't bad. We've seen how hard it is to migrate when there's only 1 real option and that option disappears or goes bad for some reason (i.e. reddit). If there was another fairly active community with the same focus, that would make it easier to keep going. That's part of why decentralization is good.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Piefed merges comments sections on cross posts.

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[–] doenerpate@feddit.org [S] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

do you know any client that supports this?

edit: found it piefed.social/post/1258559

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[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Wait, so am I reading correctly from the wiki page the only app that supports merging crosspost comments is Interstellar, which also doesn't support crossposting?

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[–] doenerpate@feddit.org [S] 1 point 6 months ago

Yeah, iOS apps and Piefed still don’t seem to work that well. The only way to fully use Piefed’s features for now is through the web UI. I’m using Voyager, though.

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Maybe I am misunderstanding something. I am on lemmy.zip, but I see communities from many different instances. How is it segregated?

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[–] doenerpate@feddit.org [S] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

For example, https://lemmy.world/c/technology, https://lemmy.zip/c/technology, and https://piefed.social/c/technology coexist. Thats what the author meant with "community separation".

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Oh, okay. Im not super familiar with how all this works. Thanks

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[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 point 8 months ago

The article does a good job breaking it down, but a short example is if you want to post about technology, you have to choose one of those communities to post to.

You can cross post or repost in the other communities but then any discussion gets fragmented, people see the same thing multiple times in their feed, only engage with one, and likely not the same one as somebody else.

On the other hand only posting in one community could significantly reduce engagement if you choose poorly.

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