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[–] 181 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It should be EU policy to force dissolution of the United States.

Equally insane statement.

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  • [–] 106 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    However, it should be EU policy to force the dissolution of US monopolies on the European market - if only to reduce the risk of blackmail.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No no no… you have a point.

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  • [–] 129 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine any European suggesting that states seceding from the union be rewarded and the rest punished. It would be so bizarre.

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's not such a bad idea for us to consider honestly. What army can be maintained without taxes from CA, NY, IL?

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  • [–] 95 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I also like the sentiment of merrily moving goalposts here!

    First you are about to get a reward for leaving. After you have left, you are told you will get your reward if you choose a specific PM.

    Once the specified PM has been sworn in, they will then tell the next condition. And so on and so on.
    What an attractive offer!

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Apparently the EU scares MAGA. Great!

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Please ask the UK how their brexit went before making any decisions.

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    [–] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, I'm confused. So the guy that played a big part in dragging us into Brexit is also the guy that can save us from it? Or did I just get Poe's lawed?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago

    Just parroting kremlin talking points.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If California doesn't secede I'll stop buying almonds.

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    [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    When is Europe along with the rest of the world going to grow some fucking balls and start isolating the US economically & diplomatically like North Korea? A majority of their population voted yes to an openly fascist pedophile, who is openly hostile to democratic ideals and wants to subjugate the free world under his rule. Sure, there would be some economic pain when orange fuckwit throws a tantrum, but if we all keep enabling it we will only be making things worse for ourselves when we inevitably have to fight them militarily.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    Not just that, we also need to aggressively combat our own far right. We need to tackle it in Hungary, we need to tackle it in all of Europe.

    That means, improving livehoods for the proletariat that thinks itself "middle class" and "lower class". That means actual proper taxation of large companies. And that means actually combatting corruption!

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Eh... you're being even more short sighted than Trump.

    EU leaders are not children. They have plans that goes beyond who the current president is.

    We've been Allies for a very long time. Exchanging technology, products and services. It's not as easy as just "cut them off". A lot of companies in EU have taken steps to become more independent in case of a major fallout with the US. But it's not exactly the thing you hear about on the news.

    I can only speculate from what I know of my workplace. We are taking steps. But it takes time. We can't just stop all services and take a break for 5 years while we spend God knows how much money developing our own software and solutions.

    We still need to keep a cash flow while we transition.

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    [–] 24 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Why are conservatives so suddenly obsessed with the EU?

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago

    Because the EU has resisted the ultra-rich and the corporations in many ways recently (imposing rules, fining bad behavior) and the ultra rich just want to bully the world according to their whims which leads directly to the new attitudes in their party? Or could be the fact that russia also desperately wants the EU to be dead.

    The republican party only serves the mega-rich and russian interests, so most of their actions can be explained by who gains from them, either mega-rich or russia.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I see 3 possible reasons:
    The continued existence of a free and democratic Europe could remind US citizens of what they once had and how much better they could be living, which makes the continued existence and success (fingers crossed) of the EU an existential threat to US conservatives.

    Or maybe Putin + Xi consider the battle for the spite and minds of US Americans won and so they're now moving the focus of their troll armies + proxies to the EU. If all trolls suddenly get the same new talking points, that's not organic, that's a strategic shift mandated from the top.

    And the 3rd reason I can think of is the combination of the above, which I think is most likely. And if the authoritarians fail at making the eu fail, they'll double down on displaying the eu countries as dystopian hellholes to convince their own population that they have it so much better.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    The continued existence of a free and democratic Europe could remind US citizens of what they once had and how much better they could be living, which makes the continued existence and success (fingers crossed) of the EU an existential threat to US conservatives.

    This is the main way how Ukraine has been a threat for the Russia at least since 2008. Back then, about 40 % of Ukrainins spoke Russian as their mother tongue, and they were suddenly living a comfortable life in a democracy. Putin lives off the Russian assumption that Russians cannot live in a democracy – that the "Russian soul" wants a strong leader so strongly that any attempt at democracy would be futile. And at the same time, he's saying that all people whose mother tongue is Russian "are Russians". So, when people who – according to his propaganda – are Russians, are able to lead a sensible and civilized life in a democratic country, it makes a lot of people who are actually Russians think that their country could maybe achieve the same as well.

    And yeah, the above is the most important reason why the Russia betrayed the nation that had come as close to considering the Russia a friend as is in any manner possible. It paints a grim future for the USA-EU relationship.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    It's not conservatives, all actual conservatives understand now more than ever how needed the EU is. This is a coordinated attack on liberal democracy and the rule based world order coming from actors whose n.1 foreign policy objective is destroying them. Russia, China and Trump all have the same goal and that's undoing liberal democracy, or at the least rendering all liberal democracies useless.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Putin's strategy to weaken the usa via the orange child rapist:
    Step 1. Alienate Canada.
    Step 2. Alienate Europe.
    Step 3. Who gives a fuck? Let them idolise the orange kiddie fiddling fascist and then fuck off for the rest of history.
    Step 4. Nope, just fuck off. Come back when you're not interested in protecting and enabling obvious paedos with your protest votes.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Who asked him for his opinion?

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    Oh hey, The Magats want to control Europe. Qulle suprise.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Moving goalposts. An idiots guide on how to do American diplomacy.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Please, don't make Hungary leave the European Union!

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Haha, "skid" Mark asking when they'll get their reward just goes to prove Brexit was utterly fruitless for the dolts that voted for it.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    The UK's reward was musky melon stirring up even more shit.

    Also, I'm not sure if MrMark shot himself in the foot in that last sentence. He is one of those nationalists, right?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Who’s Putin’s little mouthpiece? Aren’t you a good boy!

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Oh look at the fake conversation going on here. X and Musk should be shut down and stripped of citizenship and deported.

    Or just start the trials now. Some are saying the vast majority of Americans want to see these people brought to justice. As harshly as allowed by US law.

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