I won't say all Christians are awful because it's simply not true.

The majority of Christians, especially American style ones, do not know or follow the teachings of Christ.

I'm agnostic, but I think what Jesus taught was actually pretty cool.

I kinda wish god was/is definitely real someone's because I want justice for all the evil people in the world.

We'd live in a much, much more interesting world if these things were real:

God, angels, demons, ghosts, magic, fairies, UFOs, bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu.

Life would be so much easier if there was a god, to blame tragedies and triumphs as part of “his plan”. To know that those who wrong me will be punished accordingly. To have comfort in all the answers.

I’m endlessly envious of that mindset, but it’s just not possible.

It’s funny, I have somewhat of an opposite problem. I am intellectually an atheist but I had a religious upbringing and it is impossible for me to emotionally unbelieve.

Atheism is very simple and obvious to me, always had been, and the horrors of organized religion are well known but still no matter how hard I want to I have an emotional conception of a higher power that I can’t get rid of 🤷‍♀️

I wish I could unbelieve in god but I was successfully infected by a religious mind virus as a child and I cannot undo it. I guess whatever I am now would probably be called “spiritual” but I consider myself an atheist in ordinary terms when people talk about sky god.

If God were real, Christians would be the kindest and most giving people in the world

No. Religion has 0 to do with god. Religion exists to capture loyalty to the Church through the distraction of God. That loyalty is valuable to transfer to loyalty to the king and make it more soldiers. God can exist without a Church, and can exist without interventionism.

If God can exist without interventionism, or post life rewards, then is he irrelvant? No. Humanism (God would be pro human instead of ego maniac) can lead to heaven on earth. Where God is Humanist principle, then God exists.

I completely understand where you're coming from.

I do wish there was something omnipresent and beneficial. It would be comforting. But we are here because we do not agree with that concept.

And that's been the 'problem' that most of us here face. We strive to be decent people while defining our own moralities based on other principles we find to be more reliable.

On the other hand, not all Christians would be good or kind or forgiving. That isn't something that comes from a worldview.

Even if they are truly convinced that the Christian God is real and omnipresent, there has been no external force in their lives to command them to be better, so they don't.

These changes come about when personal experience drives the change.

As such, it is up to us to push the world to be the utopia we wish it to be. This is all we have and are likely to have.

I feel kind of oposite to what you describe; I feel the Idea of god as described in the bible is terrifying. And i am glad There is no one out there. The god described in the bible not only reads as very human, He speaks and acts and feels in a way that is very congruent with a Medieval human. He sounds ruthless, brutal, not loving at all. When i was first introduced to the concept of god and his teachings as a child i immediately felt rejection towards it. Yahvé sounds like some kind of mad king that on top of that is all powerful; The concept of creation sounds like an elaborate ploy to create suffering, and he comes off as needy, manipulative, prideful, jealous, sexist and cruel; The god described in the bible is not a dude I'd like to talk to; even less be his eternal plaything.

In the same sense whenever people try to share their belief in Christianity, i cannot help but to feel deep down like thy are trying to share something very wrong and hurtful. I don't feel like i want to end Christian beliefs or it's institutions i just with they weren't so keen on spreading these beliefs, and so keen in amassing political power.

You mentioed god and Christianity a bazillion tines ,so i am asuming American ? If you were born in India you woukd you even have that debate.

why not one if the hindui gods ? Or a bazillion others believed by folks.

I think the things here religion is only ostensibly about god and certainly offers no proof of god, hell in some of them you're killed if you call this obvious behaviour out. It's a cult to control people

As to edge lords, imagine running around inisiting your imaginery sky daddy is really like alive. It shous be a fucking cringing embarresment and yet here we.are.

Live your life, homie.

If you want a different take on the concept, check this out.

Nah fuck that just be agnostic. I don't care about god. If he exists fine, if he does not also fine. Does not amtter to me.

You're right, there are a lot of athiests out there like that (especially I believe in America where being atheist is less common amongst so many Christians).

These are people who are alike the bad christians you describe

But there are a lot of good people out there too, who are also atheist. Those you wouldn't be able to distinguish between your good Christian friends.

In the end people are people, no matter what they believe in, some will be bad, some will be good and most will be somewhere in the middle.

If this is something you are struggling with, I recommend looking into your local humanitarian society. They have a lot of resources for people such as yourself while also doing social outreach and charity work.

If there isn't one local, I can reccomend watching some of Genetically Modified Skeptics videos on YouTube. He is a former christian who perhaps has walked a similar path as you.

All the best with your journey!

I totally get you. I have felt the same way at times. The thing is that if god existed it would have to not be like any gathering of folk that worship him. They all have some dogma that makes him imperfect as far as the good is concerned. Almost all the christian ones punish not believing even though god gives no basis for belief. As many point out there is a reason christ and faith healers never cure amputees. Its very obvious someone is missing a limb and would be very obvious if a healthy one had been created. Now I could make a personal version of god that is better but I would have to basically just make it up to fit the outcome I want. Which less face it is how all religion comes to be. You know I was agnostic for a long time. You see I figured there must be something at the core of religions. Something that happened and started it and maybe over the ages the message got messed up. I thought that humans were essentially rational. Sure some crazy person may believe insane things but he could not get a group of people to go along much less for generations. Maybe a cult briefly. Then this millenia the right pushed me into strong atheism because I witnessed just that. Stuff gets made up and believed and taken to heart as part of someones identity and in fact a whole groups outlook on life. I could no longer pretend that could not happen because I witnessed it again and again.

I wouldn't worry about the label. Your association will be different than others, so it might be taken several different ways by many different people. Labels become shorthand but also a bag full of various and sometimes contradictory concepts, so they're primarily useful when they're very simple and facilitate communication and meaning rather than make it harder to understand and more confusing. This is true of every label you think might apply to you. The label isn't what's important. It's important to understand what you think, feel, and believe. It's just as easy to say, "I don't believe a god exists," as it is to say, "I'm an atheist." There are a lot of people for whom labels become a sense of identity, but that often seems to involve adopting things that don't apply to them simply based on the association. Be yourself, determine for yourself who you are and what you think. Don't try to shoehorn yourself into someone else's confused bag of meanings and associations.

I'm afraid of infinity, the thought of living infinitally in heaven is terrifying to me. No amount of goodness can be a counterweight to this infinity.