TL;DR: Mozilla is killing localization on Support Mozilla, overwriting articles written by humans with machine generated translations. Although Mozilla knows that their AI doesn’t localize or adhere to style guides, Mozilla is going live with it anyway. I thank locale leaders and localizers for their tireless efforts. Locale leaders seem to be obviated by AI, and Mozilla has nothing to say about it.

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[–] 109 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Anytime I see an anti-mozilla article, it’s abundantly clear that it’s an astroturfing campaign to make Firefox look bad. You NEVER see these articles about chrome, brave, opera, etc which are all much much worse.

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago

    I'd say that's because here on Lemmy, we already don't give a fuck about and wouldn't touch Chrome or Edge with a ten foot pole, but some of us trusted Mozzila, which is now starting to do dumb AI shit. And having your trust broken hurts.

    Astroturfing would not be recommending LibreWolf as an alternative.

    If you look into alternatives, Brave is one that's usually mentioned but there's always someone quickly posting all of the dumb shit they did.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The way they are forcing AI on everyone and into every aspect of their browser especially when a large part of the people who use Firefox hates that shit is going to end Firefox.

    The reason you don't hear it about all those other browsers is because people have always known they don't give a fuck what the end user wants.

    Firefox used to be different. But all good things deteriorate over time. Watching it happen in real time to a browser we all use and used to love is why you see it so much posted especially in places with like minded individuals like Lemmy.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There’s AI in Firefox? I’m running it as new as I can in Arch and have never seen a hint of it.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Sidebar on the left has one of those star icons that opens an AI chatbot, or you can hit ctrl + alt + x

    They keep mentioning AI features, but I haven't really seen anything annoying yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They've also put it into the right click menu. And I think they integrated into the "click and hold link preview" feature they just added. And, annoyingly, with all this added AI, they made no provisions for locally hosted AI.

    They also added AI translation in addition to their old translation system for webpages. I think the old one just used Google Translate, so the AI translation is a privacy win because it is done locally, but I may be wrong on how it used to work.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    What an odd comparison. What differentiates Mozilla from others is their close relationship with their community. Just read their manifest and you will see Immediately why they are getting flag for humiliating their own supporters.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Put it this way, I don't trust a corpo browser and never have. 2008 or whenever it was that everyone switched to Chrome, I stayed with Firefox, which I'd been using for a few years already. I remember upgrading to Firefox 2.0.

    I'm interested when Firefox is pulling this shit and don't give a fuck otherwise, because I already assume the others do this.

    Idk if we'll ever get anything decent out of the Servo browser engine. That would be ideal IMO. Mozilla is starting to become part of the problem.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Calling objections to what some unelected jerks in the foundation (which is a supposedly public organization) are doing is not "anti-Mozilla". And I would first suspect of astroturfing everyone pretending it is.

    Raising voices and putting pressure about things spoiling something is caring about it. And yes, people who care try to make real effect and not just safely complain to be ignored.

    Mozilla honestly has been becoming worse and worse since Australis.

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    [–] 53 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They link to it in the article, but for visibility, the resignation of Japanese SUMO community lead, contributor of 20 years. They voice their concrete issues.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    that tonedeaf response of the mozilla staff boils my blood. holy fuck. i hate mozilla so much for years already but in recent times it got so much worse. cant wait to switch to ladybird or other alternatives in the future.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Why the fuck is lemmy so chuck full of anti Fiirefox and anti Mozilla propaganda?
    I even see comments about Firefox needing to be open source again!?!?
    It FUCKING IS open source, anybody can fork it if they want to, the only thing they can't do is use the Firefox logo and name.

    You are all a bunch of idiots!! (everybody who upvoted this trash blog)

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Is it anti Firefox progranda to literally criticize them for reopening human contributed content with lesser quality AI generated one?

    Your response to that criticism is to bring up another topic (Firefox being open source) and calling everyone idiots?

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I still use Firefox every day, but I don't trust the corporate overlords to do what's right long term. They seem to be getting greedy instead of listening to the user base. They've started including AI bullshit features for the sake of it, like grouping tabs by content that nobody asked for and that barely works for me. I'm not anti-Mozilla, but I sure am weary of it and would welcome an alternative.

    I haven't come across any open source comments, but those seem pretty clueless.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Why would they override articles that were already done? Makes no fucking sense!

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't mind donating to have Firefox off of Mozilla's hands and back into the FOSS sphere where it belongs. Heck i'd even pay a subscription.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Why? They have free (as in free beer) volunteers. AI could do translation for pages nobody had time to translate yet but taking over the localization seems unnecessary.

    Edit: Okay it is kinda like that, the bot automatically translates everything but volunteers can still contribute and provide better localization. It just seems to not work that well, overwriting things it should not when the actual work is just translating one additional sentence. Or simply not being that great at localization. In general AI translation is not a terrible idea but this seems clearly half baked and Mozilla has stopped responding to the complaints which isn't helping either.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    That's not always great either though because if the AI miss-localizes things, end users in that language wont even know that their documentation is incorrect. Better to have incomplete than wrong documentation. At least then the end user will know they have to try to read a different language. It might be good to use AI to create an unpublished first draft that is then polished by a person before publishing, though it seems the AI is not good enough to be useful in that manner.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    While what happened in Japan sucks and calls for an apology by Mozilla towards the team, the general idea of machine translation on demand is one of the few working examples of machine learning. I'd recommend professional systems instead of google translate, though.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Sooooo

    Chrome is out

    Firefox is put

    What is a professional Brower that can do all what the above two can do, but is open source and not riddled with adware or ad allow ware, spyware and other shit?

    Is there any browser left that we can still use for all sites?

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