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[–] 137 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I, for one, am incredibly excited to see widespread inconvenience for the middle class. Hopefully this will wake some of these people the fuck up. The super rich still won't be effected enough, but maybe this will help stir up some malcontent against Orange Julius from the people unaffected by SNAP cuts.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Private planes are still reliant on ATC, especially at out of the way, low traffic airports that will be the first to see cuts

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If they stopped providing services to FL180+ non-part-121 traffic they'd see way more reduction in load than just cancelling a little 121 traffic. Idk if anyone has looked at the unfiltered flight trackers but there are a fuck ton of private/business jets up in the flight levels and they're not flying as predictable of routes (usually into smaller satellite airports near the main ones). They can't do that though because it would upset all the rich people.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe we should just reject all IFR flight plans with less than 20 passengers other than life flights. Make the rich fly low and slow.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I thought I was on /r/flying for a sec. Nice to see aviation people in Lemmy

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just in time for the holidays, I’m here for it. Time for the middle class to wake the fuck up.

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  • [+] 49 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly, I wonder how long til we have to close down an airport because staff just stops showing up entirely. I feel like absenteeism has to have gone exponential.

    With the expense of flights, I also do think a lot about whether or not this disproportionately affects demographics who were more likely to have voted for Trump.

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    Upvoted you, but they frequently fly out of smaller/private airports that don't have direct ATC control anyway, so it's unlikely that's a significant contributor to a solution. Though I definitely agree it should be done at whatever scale it can be to improve general conditions.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I'm still trying to process the fact that a moron known for being on "The Real World" is Transportation Secretary. And it's been months.

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    [–] 34 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The shutdown accelerated this, but it's far from the root cause. Even when it lifts, it's still on a bad trajectory.

    Can't reduce training standards without causing lots of other problems.

    Automation in older ways is possible but complicated. More modern AI would be a disaster. Though they might try.

    There isn't really an answer. Air travel can't continue as it was, and there aren't enough plans for trains to come close to making up for it.

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    [–] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Richest country on the fucking planet yet we can't won't pay ATC 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

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    [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    I'm so glad I'm flying to one of the nations busiest airports next week.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Take away pay from house & senate members while the government is shut down, they don't deserve the special treatment. Then we'll see how fast this all gets resolved.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    People keep suggesting this without thinking it through

    Many congress members are quite wealthy. They could easily go without their salary at all, for their entire tenure. These people tend to make money off stock trading (at suspiciously high rates, but that's a different discussion), in addition to other investments and "consulting" generating revenue for them

    There are, however, at least a few congress members that are not independently wealthy. Those members are actually working class and rely on their salary to live. Those people are the ones that will be squeezed without a paycheck

    What do you think the end result of that will be?

    The wealthy members of congress will be able to use shutdowns as a bludgeon to force the working class members to vote in line with them. The wealthy can hold out indefinitely. The working class can only hold out until rent is past-due

    Long term, I'd expect to see two other knock-on effects. Working class members of congress will be heavily incentivized to start making very good stock picks to have backup income, or more outright corruption. The second effect would be a chilling effect on working class candidates even running for congress

    Does that sound like a positive outcome? Are those the incentives you want in congress?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    If you're a right wing libertarian or neoliberal who believes that governments are always corrupt, inefficient and incompetent, the best way to prove yourself right is to ensure that the government is always corrupt, inefficient and incompetent.

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    [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    This can't be good for the economy.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago*

    Thanks trump! Thanks Rs!

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Mother fucker. My wife my toddler and I are supposed to fly out on the 15th.

    I really hope I don't get stuck in like.... Delaware.... With a 2 year old and no way home.

    Oh well small price to pay for insurance coverage for folks that probably voted against their best interests.

    I guess.

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    [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Took them long enough, it seems. Apparently lack of traffic controllers wasn't preventing flights last week.

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