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[–] 226 points 2 years ago (4 children)

In their defence, it is a difficult concept to grasp. My dad started his career shovelling gravel for a few dollars an hour. Now he's a vice president making very good money. In his mind, anyone can replicate what he did by working hard instead of being lazy and asking for handouts.

I eventually got through to him one day when he was talking about hiring for a senior management position. He was interviewing all these people with fancy degrees and credentials. I asked why not promote one of his hard workers? He laughed and said the person needs to be more than a hard worker to manage multi-million dollar projects. But where would he be now if his old boss had thought the same thing? My dad has none of the credentials of the people he was interviewing. He'd still be shovelling gravel 60 hours a week for minimum wage if nobody gave him the opportunity to advance. How could he think hard work will be rewarded when he doesn't even reward it himself? That's when he admitted the world works differently now.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I read one story the young adult finally convinced his dad when he showed him a job posting for his old job. It payed less than when he had it, not even accounting for inflation.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I remember that story and can relate. It took showing my parents the cost of my tuition at a university now and comparing it to when they were 18, then doing the same for the yearly wage of a fast food worker, before they realized that cost inflation has out-paced wage inflation by a crazy amount and no, people can't just sustain themselves through college to get a leg up in society.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I was searching for apartments a few years ago when I still lived with my parents. My Dad was frustrated with my search taking so long (basically accusing me of dragging my feet) asked me why I kept saying I couldn't afford to live in any of the places near where we lived / my workplace (I live in one of the highest cost of living states in America). I made a bet with him that if he could find me an apartment that was within my budget of $2,200/month within a week, I would sign the lease and move out as soon as they would let me move in. If he couldn't, he had to admit that finding an apartment in this area in this economy was not as easy as it was when he was my age (I was originally going to ask him to pay me $500 if he lost the wager, but he backed down from that so I took away any monetary incentive and just went for the moral victory instead).

    Of course, three days after we made the bet, he came back to me and said "What happened to all the apartments that used to cost $800/month? These leases are more than what we pay for our mortgage!". Somehow, he was still living in a reality so far removed from our own that he had no idea just how bad things had gotten.

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  • [+] 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago*

    Admitting that there's a problem usually also means that you admit that changes should happen. People like feeling comfy, and people like dealing with what they know. Change is uncomfortable, and it takes effort. It's the "fuck you I got mine" mindset. I hate it, and I strongly believe it's hindering the entire planet's progress in almost every form.

    "All young people are bad" until they need life saving surgery. "Disability payments are bad" until dear ol' dad has an unexpected stroke that leaves him completely paralyzed. "Minimum wage is bad" until their personal lifelong industry dies. "Young people are stupid" until they need young people to take care of them in hospice. (Even then lmao) It's selfish and it's short-sighted.

    When I get old, I aspire to be that old person who plants trees that I'll never see bloom. I want to help people in ways that I'll never see. That shouldn't even be a "good person" thing. That should just be "being part of a society that doesn't want to cease existing after a few generations".

    I would feel like I had miserably failed at life if I ever ended up vying for the failure of future generations in the name of my own personal success. It's also a pretty weak goal to limit yourself to just "doing better" at life than complete strangers. I take pride in what I've done, personally. I don't need to "do better" than the next set of people to feel that pride. It's sad that so many need to treat others poorly to feel good about themselves. I would be embarrassed to act the way that I've seen many people act, personally.

    What a state of things.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Even still, weren't their dozens of people shoveling gravel and only a couple of vice presidents? The pyramid structure of corporations imply that not everyone can go from the entry level work to the c suite. It's an attrition and numbers game.

    Plus, most companies now outsource their grunt work. The janitor cannot become the CEO anymore, because the janitor is a contracted worker, making minimum wage, not invited to the Christmas party, and prevented from speaking to anybody in a position of authority.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Oh, yes, the contractors, not-exactly-people existing only when convenient. And the conditions for them are usually bad even when their manager tries to improve those, because tops see no additional value in improving conditions for someone that doesn't exist work in the main corp

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Hank doesn't look like a boomer anymore. Cotton does. Boomers are 70+ year olds now. Weird.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Hank is also mostly a product of his environment, yet a caring father that accepts his family for who they are. If all boomers were like Hank Hill, we'd all be happy.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't say he fully accepts Bobby given that he often remarks "that boy ain't right "

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm 59; born in 1964. Unfortunately, I was born in the last year of the Boomers.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    King of the Hill started in 1997, Hank is 41, that means he would have been born in 1956 of the series is taking place at the same time it started (there's a millennium episode so that pretty much confirms it), it's just an issue of characters not aging in animated series.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    How about the fact that as the overall population becomes top heavy with the elderly and fewer young people ... the economy won't be able to sustain paying for older people because there will be too few young people driving the economy.

    This isn't meant to divide ... this is an honest worry of mine because I'm middle aged and by the time I get old and feeble, the economy probably won't be able to afford to care for people my age.

    Unless you're a billionaire, millionaire or the child of one, we're all screwed.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I don't disagree. Yet people on the top heavy side continue to disproportionately support the individuals who collectively make it more difficult to live comfortably at any age. Those at or around retirement age are in this situation almost purely as a result of their choices, and/or a colorful, almost deceitful, blindness.

    I can't blame any of them though. Many of us below 40 have had access to a million points of data via the internet over the years. So identifying these issues has been much easier for your average person. Of course on the other hand...

    I think the big issue is we can't seem to truly agree on a course of action long enough to make anything happen. So...I don't know. Apart from us all pushing ourselves and people we trust into lower offices, I do not feel I am wise enough to suggest any solution.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago

    I love telling boomers how easy their lives were and how they didn't need to work half as hard as today's youth.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is such a funny image of Hank - pissed off look and posture, beer in front of him, tie loosened. He's got something to say to somebody

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Looks like the face of someone who doesn't know what a jpeg is.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Where I'm from, they know. The news have done a good job of reporting on it, and they see the cost of houses, and whatnot be worse than before. It's kind of new from the last 5 or so years, before that they didn't get it. But now it's pretty obvious so long as they watch the news or pay attention to their kids and grandkid's lives.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It really depends though. In a lot of places, life for gay young people for example is a lot less shitty than it was for gay people 40 years ago

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    The funny thing is, that many boomers dislike exactly that fact about generations younger than them. They think because esp. Millenials and Genz learned to name and voice their feelings, they are weak.

    It is incredible mental gymnastics, however a lot of boomers tend to blame this "weakness" for economical struggle of younger generations.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My partner literally had to send her mother our budget and attached bank statements to illustrate how we could struggle to pay the bills even with 3 jobs between the 2 of us.

    I will say she finally got it - that you can work hard and scrimp and save, and still come up short.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Every generation has shitty and awesome people

    Right, but different generations have experienced different levels of economic and cultural turmoil that have shaped their political and ethical ideologies.

    People who embraced Reaganomics and the general back slide of civility have destroyed their ability to empathize with anyone outside of their small community.

    Younger generations still display this type of learned behavior, but it's a small minority when compared to the majority of boomers. I'm probably in the same generation as you, but I don't really share your confusion about the schism.

    I feel like GenX were the last gen to believe that everything would be fine if you just get a degree and do your time. We're the last generation that had the privilege of not having to pay attention to politics.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    They fucked around and are mad that we are the ones that are finding out before they died.

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