submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [M] to c/support@lemmy.world
 

The latest blog post about our .world and the Fedihosting Foundation. As you can read in the blog, the donations are no longer covering our running costs. If you are able to spare a few Euro's or dollars or whatever currency, please check the list of our donation platforms in the blog.

Edit: I will add these to the blog: https://bunq.me/fhf (for EU bank transfers) https://github.com/sponsors/Fedihosting-Foundation (Github Sponsor)

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[+] 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 39 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I’m trying to understand who (and where) to donate to here.

    The blog post talks about various costs for the Worlds communities - the highest of which is server costs, and one line item is for β€œMonthly contribution to the FHF”. Then below, the donation links say β€œAs a reminder, you can donate to FHF here”. So are those links for donating only to FHF? The Patreon link goes to β€œMastodon.world (Fedihosting Foundation)”.

    Some clarity here would be helpful so it’s easy for folks to understand who needs donations and where they can help with that.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The spamming troll made me realize, we don't have any sort of posting limits? Limiting contributions to something humanly possible, like say, one every thirty seconds, would help cut down on that stuff. Maybe could base it on IP address, so multiple accounts couldn't be used to partially get around it?

    Most people would never even realize the limit is there.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Lemmy lacks essentially all mature moderation and administration controls a forum/social media platform would need to survive the broader internet back in 2014. Nevermind 2025.

    It's quite unfortunate.

    The only savings grace is how small Lemmy is, it's exposure is incredibly narrow right now.


    Fediverse software in general tends to not be that performance friendly either. Leading to extreme hosting costs to scale up to even a meager number of users.and then fans out some level of duplicate resource requirements to federated instances.

    Linearly, if lemmy.world (~15k MAU) was the size of reddit (~400mill MAU, being very conservative). It would cost ~$14,000,000/m in compute. Of course, the real number would be much higher due to scale ability complexities/technology. But either way that's a lot of $$$.

    Anyways, not to be a Debby downer, it's just hard not to feel defeated by some of these things. And the tasks to make things better are massive.

    Things are always getting better of course.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    I had a look around the code a while ago, and not only is it lacking in moderation and administration, it's also very much lacking in the distributed computing department.

    It's essentially set up in a way that all instances store close to all of the data and that with more instances the traffic and compute costs also scale terribly that way.

    Lemmy is pretty close to the limit of its technical capacity.

    I wish they had set Lemmy up as a bunch of basically phpBB forums with federated single-sign-on and frontend that can access the backend of all the separate forums transparently. That way each instance would have to only moderate, store and serve their own content instead of multiplying all the work for each instance.

    Case in point: The €1950/month that the .worlds cost is close to €1 per active user per month. That's a crazy amount.

    For a phpBB forum with ~2000 active users you'd expect to pay maybe €50 per month.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    we do have some limits in place, but lemmy only allows rate limits per ip, and those are counted in each backend process independently. I'm currently working on implementing better rate limits in our load balancer.

    due to rate limits historically not working at all or not working properly, there are still various instances without decent limits. additionally, these rare limits only apply to local users. federated activities are not limited within lemmy. we recent added some fairly high limits to our automod to catch some of these cases and it's been working alright so far.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Could have a truthworthiness score that can increase posting limits in the backend.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    I've started evaluate all free (as in freedom) services to match my entertainment subscriptions (I.e. netflix) and this ended up being avg 5$/mo min wage for all free services that I use which is very reasonable expense. All things don't even add up to 100$/mo in my case and the value much outweighs that!

    Bless be the foss priests πŸ™

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Can we avoid payment provider middleman fees with EU bank transfers?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I was laid off a few months ago, but once I'm up and running again, I'll drop some coin.

    In the meantime, I would love to help on a technical level. I have docker experience, but limited and would love to relearn ansible since it has been a few years. Let me know how I can help!

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    The first 4 people who click this link will get a free membership to the fedihosting foundation patreon:

    https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld/redeem/f/E235F16A97

    Edit: Downvoting support for the fediverse?

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    [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    !taneggs@lemmy.ca proudly offers support. Pikas love grass roots!

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Set up a recurring donation. Lemmy and Mastodon are great and I want them to stick around.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I see your preferred donation platform is euro based, do you get good $ to eu exchange? or shoul i go patreon?

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm really confused by what link donates to who. Can you just give us a simple link that's like "click here to donate to lemmy.world"?

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Question about BUNQ: There's this string that looks like an IBAN (NL78 BUNQ 2108 3219 85). If I send money using a recurring bank transfer to that, will it work? Will substantial fees be incurred as a result?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I have doubled my donation!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Hello. Is GitHub sponsor a good way to donate? Do all funds go to Fedihosting? Other link shows currency in Euros but I am in USA and want to donate $

    Thanks!

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    [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Saved, upvotes and commented to find this post easier

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is the situation changing for you since the post?

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