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[–] 103 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Friendly reminder that Thunderbird is a great way to handle multiple email accounts on the desktop.

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There are no perfect desktop email clients, but Thunderbird is pretty great.

    It's a little too powerful for my needs, so I stick to Claws.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I moved away from a desktop client for several years because of Thunderbird staying stuck in the 2010s, but the redesign brought me back into the fold. It's certainly overkill for scanning through subject lines, but compared to having five tabs open ...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Bluemail is decent. But im still always looking for better.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well might be, but doesn't Bluemail do the same thing as the new Outlook for their "instant push" feature? I don't see how else they'd accomplish that.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I must say I'm quite pleased with it too. The previous time I tried it was in 2005 and it was just ok. I also recently found out about the Owl add-on. Really makes it a good alternative

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What a clickbaity article. I'm all for exposing bad stuff but this article presents zero proof of it transferring passwords. It also fails to highlight the manner of how data voluntarily synced to MS is handled. All in all it doesn't do anything but trying to steer users to it's own services.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I know, right? Jesus I hate bullshit tech "reporting" like this. This particular comment just smacks of outrage "journalism":

    Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is very easy to find other sources making the same claim, such as this one which includes an image of allegedly posted json including passwords.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Which I already posted before your reply.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Nice timing. I don't see how warning you that your email passwords will be kept remotely by Microsoft would be "redundant." Many people will assume from that message that it would only send them all your mail, and the even more carelessly optimistic among us might guess that it would be end-to-end encrypted as it obviously should be.

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I am so grateful I left Windows and move to Linux.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    It's ok Microsoft are very sorry you found out

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    PSA: mailbox.org has a great, privacy focused email service.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't know about sharing passwords, but I know that if you have an Exchange server on premises (meaning you have mailserver on your own infrastructure maybe somewhere in the building) because you don't want to have your data in the cloud - Outlook for mobile (both iOS and Android versions) has been sending all your data through M$ servers anyway, don't know for how long - quick search returned a 3 year old reference - imo much longer. There are "benefits" that I may be too dumb to understand:

    On iOS you can go around and use the default "Mail.app". On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Have you tried Nine mail? https://www.9folders.com/en/index.html

    It costs some money to continue using it/unlock all features, but that's a one time fee (assuming that it hasn't changed).

    I can't use it anymore as IT has disabled all support for 3rd party mail apps. Was the best exchange mail app I ever found (it actually supports the categories using which I've organised my mail).

    I (and my colleagues on iOS) have no choice but to use outlook mobile as the Apple mail app and everything else is blocked due to GDPR.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

    On Android, I use FairEmail which is a fantastic open-source app. However, it doesn't support any proprietary Microsoft stuff. For my work email, I use Nine, which works well.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The old outlook was just perfect, the new one is positively abhorrent. I swear if they force one more app to me I'm going to purposefully stop using it altogether

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't see how this is any different from adding another e-mail account on gmail.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    The program it replaced didn't do this, hence the surprise. You could be using the old program, and one day windows update it with this new program, and suddenly your passwords are uploaded to Microsoft cloud service when you launched it. People would similarly surprised if K-9 mail upcoming replacement, Thunderbird mobile, suddenly store your password in the cloud.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    | Creates account with service provider

    | Surprised when megically, service provider has password

    I don't get it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Service providers aren't actually supposed to know your password. Passwords should always be sent after hashing on client side. Only the hashes are matched on server side.

    Edit: Not accurate, read replies.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    nope hashing is usually done server-side.
    also counter-intuitively server-side hashing is considered more secure than client side (in case of client side hashing hash becomes the password)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I'm not an expert in this, and I did look around after reading your comment. Looks like the password is usually sent as-is, then hashed server side, and matched against hashes in the database. So, the hashes are what's stored in their database. So, ideally, the server shouldn't know your password. Also, it can be hashed from client side too, but that becomes redundant since everything is tls encrypted anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Mailbox.org doesn't allow you to sign up at this time. Is this.. getting teary eyes lemmy.. having impact on the webs?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    They block countries that originate a lot of spam from signup, which includes the US @smokedclover@feddit.de. You can use a VPN to signup, though I did have to reach out to support at one point very early on to finalize some provisioning. I don't know if it was related to the geo-blocking, it's been awhile. But I've had no problems since.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Aw fuck. I accidentally opened it and it automatically upgraded to the new one. I barely ever use it though

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    school requires outlook account ._.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Should left once they start upload nudes into cloud 10 years ago

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