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[–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

This is very sad, and preventable.

Reading the article it sounds like this woman unfortunately just spent too much time on social media reading all the doom and gloom of the media and people amplifying it in places like reddit, Twitter and Facebook.

wanted to live in a land disconnected from the world, which she viewed as chaotic and dangerous

she and her teenage son could be happy and safe away from the news, the viruses, the politics of modern-day America

had been “discouraged with the state of the world”

Rebecca Vance’s fears intensified during the pandemic

Consuming too much of this crap has really affected peoples mental health, from Trump, to BLM riots, racism, covid, it’s broken some people who spend too much time on social media.

So much so that they think the only way out is to hide away from society.

Reminder, friends, to take frequent and extensive breaks from social media for your own mental health.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Into the Wild was a cautionary tail that for some reason people romanticize...

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The difference between what I took away when I first read that book and the 2nd or 3rd time I watched the movie was night and day.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    I feel bad the kid he had a privileged shit life. But going out into the middle of the Alaskan wilderness to survive with no formal training was punching way above his weight...

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  • [+] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Except he dies alone at the end, so it was definitely a cautionary tale.

    This is sort of like saying Don Quixote was about a famous knight saving the world and not a crazy rich guy fighting windmills

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Except he dies alone at the end, so it was definitely a cautionary tale.

    If the last recent years has taught us anything, it's that how you present a thing matters a lot more than what the thing is that's actually being presented. Unfortunately.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty much, which is why I consider the Fight Club movie a complete flop, maybe not financially, but it fails at its own message so hard that only the dudebros it mocks like it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    that only the dudebros it mocks like it.

    or, hear me out, movies don't need to be lectures and is ok to just do something for the entertainment/artistry/visuals/storytelling of it.

    I can tell you that I'm the opposite of what the movie depicts, I'm fragile, never been in a fight, I sincerely hope that will never be in one, I cried like a baby in ET or the time traveles wife, the Schindler's list broke my heart, I dislike the dudebro dynamics, and I adore that movie. I also like horror movies as a genre and I don't go around killing people.

    It's fine that you use movies as lectures of life and ethics, or that you don't enjoy them if they don't have a message that you agree with, but some people like them for other reasons, so please try not to profile people for what they like to watch.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's not that I dislike Fight Club for "not having a message", but for the fact that it's meant to have a message according to the director and the writer of the book, but the movie doesn't depict what that message is very well.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    sorry I wasn't clear, my criticism wasn't towards you not liking the movie, anyone have their own taste and there is nothing wrong with it, we all just want to enjoy things :-)

    My problem was about you profiling people that do like the movie as "dudebros", that wasn't very nice IMHO

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That was rude of me, let me rephrase.

    There are many things in Fight Club that are enjoyable, snappy dialogue, clever moments (I wonder if beating the shit out of yourself in a CEO's office just as security arrives to create an awkward situation has any chance of working irl)

    However, the film has attracted a rather toxic cult following that seem to think Tyler Durden's the good guy.. and sadly the film's most vocal fans are from this group.

    I personally have seen the flick twice and did not much care for it myself, just for the record (So you don't get the impression I judge the film's quality solely on this subgroup)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it :-) . I have quite the opposite experience, as people I know like it are mostly cinema enthusiast and like it mostly for its cinematic features, definitely not a teaching film.

    Maybe is a geographical thing, although to be fair I would never have a friend so full of himself as Tyler, so I may have a selection bias.

    For me was the presentation of Marla that I remember the most, such interesting way of introducing a character.

    anyway, have a nice day!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I hate how people talk about off grid living as something you can pull off alone, that's difficult even if you allow for buying food and installing all kinds of fancy infrastructure in your home.

    The truth is that properly sustainable and reliable off-grid living requires a small community, because you need a lot of labour.

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    [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What a terrible way to go. They sounded less prepared than even Chris McCandless.

    I can't believe I'm recommending reality TV, but Alone is a fairly good representation of being alone in the wilderness with no resources. It is extremely unpleasant.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Alone is a great show. But I’ve got to tell you, while I watch and know I do not (currently) possess the skills to do what those folks do, there is a draw for me to want to do it. I mean I’m sure I’m over-romanticizing the thing to an extent, and - again - I know enough about me to know I can’t do it today, but there’s a distinct pull to want to.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I did a wilderness survival camp in Arizona as a kid myself. I have had massive respect for nature ever since then. Even with a group of people survival in the wilderness is tough. I remember struggling for days to even make my first fire.

    Alone showed me how different survival tactics are depending on your location. I feel like I could survive at least a few months on my own in the Sonoran desert, but anywhere else I would be done for pretty quickly. Cold snowy weather would probably end me on the first night.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I wish people would realize that humans only got to where we are because we are a COMMUNAL species. We developed complex language and tool usage BECAUSE we work together. Being "off the grid" is usually isolationist and therefore extremely dangerous. We need community in order to develop and manage the resources we need to survive.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Also, we're living in kind of an unprecedented part of history that enables is to be independent of other people in ways never before possible. So that gives people a very distorted sense of that, a lack of any notion of the importance of community. And of course this "independence" is achieved by a complete dependence on this huge ubiquitous economic machine.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So sad but at the same time LOfuckingL are people dumb!

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn't deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I'm angry at that on his behalf.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    She was afraid, ignorant, and uneducated. How do you think she got that way?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    She got that way because you personally didn't teach her a better way of living. You're personally responsible for these deaths, including that of the child.

    Why, why would you do this, @TrismegistusMx? Why? Why?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Is it a contest? Can't you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Do you get mad at rabbits that run away from dogs and into the line of fire of the hunter?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    First rule of the Rocky's, don't camp / hike outside in the winter, you will not survive.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Even with a well-stocked cabin, the cold alone will sap your energy and kill you slowly.

    Trying to survive it in a tent isn't mere ignorance, it's outright stupidity.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I just feel bad for the kid. Mom wanted to get off the grid but Colorado has a history of killing those who try it without a lot of money and infrastructure to support it. Go off the grid in like South Carolina, not Colorado.

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