The idea that you get to put a stake in the ground and then that plot of dirt yours forever is insane. The amount of infrastructure projects in Denmark that are put on hold indefinitely because locals are upset, not at being forced to move, but because they think they own their land and the view, is nuts.

Gestures in eminent domain.

Careful, you might get a ban from .ml for saying that

It helps that in China you can’t own land. All the land is owned by the government. You only have “use rights” and for a limited time (something like 80 years - I forget the exact number). So when it comes time to build infrastructure the government just tells you to gtfo.

No just any shit, shit that helps everyday people living in their country.

I'm just thinking of the major cities in my U.S. state where the public transit map, before and after, looks like Chengdu in 2010. So as unfortunate as the circumstances are in Toronto, they can be even worse.

Meanwhile Hamburg, Germany with only 1.8 Million:

DONT BRING NUANCE AND LOGIC TO A SENSELESS FEELINGS-BAITING POST! It doesn’t MATTER the city layout over top of it, the context of rapid and rampant industrialization in China, or something as inconsequential as number of people!

NYC with almost half of the population of Chengdu.

I'm posting an absolute shit ton of content to support Lemmy.

You aren't the first one to notice :)

Not to undermine your point on the demand, but note that Chengdu's population has grown <7 million since phase 1 of Line 1 (the 18.5km middle quarter of the navy purple line; for reference the green Toronto line is 26.2km) was opened, while the decades that preceded this saw the city having similar population growth rates to Toronto.

The maps above also seem to be differently scaled.

The Toronto map is ~2x more-a-zoomied-in, judging by the distances between the farthest stations. In 2024, looking at the track maps, the driving distance between the farthest stations (Vaghan Met. to Victoria Park) is 36km while that of Chengdu (天府机场北 to 何公路) is 93 km.

These two maps are at the same scale:

Toronto

Chengdu

mean....you really don't need an extensive subway network here

Found the 905'er

The streetcar network is a complete shitshow. Multiple streetcars bunched up, with hundreds of people inside, being blocked by a few SUV drivers and parked cars on the side of the street.

Its faster to bike or walk in most cases.

Same for the buses. There's a reason the bus lines here have nicknames like "the sufferin' dufferin"

At grade == weak

Toronto isn't filled with great alternate modes of mass transit so much as it's filled with excuses not to build mass transit.

Let me weep in "Ontario line".

is this why there is no traffic problems in Toronto and commute is not a suicide inducing nightmare?

its sad im over here in Dallas and im envious of Toronto.

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Lemmy has tankie problem.

We have had industrial accidents and deaths as well... We may have better safety standards but going from no subway system to a massive full city system more robust than Western countries in a fraction of the time is pretty remarkable.

Yeah. Line 3 used different rolling stock than the other three lines, unusual linear induction motor powered equipment, which was reaching the end of its service life. The plan was to shut it down in November 2023 and temporarily replace it with bus service while they built a Line 2 extension to serve the neighborhoods Line 3 used to. Unfortunately, a train derailed in July 2023, which resulted in the system shutting down four months sooner than expected.

The Line 2 extension is going to take a different route to eventually arrive at Line 3’s old terminus. I think there’s plans to covert the old line 3 viaduct into a Bus Rapid Transit guideway.