cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140

Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true

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[–] 39 points 3 years ago (6 children)

I'm a Leftist who isn't a Communist. There's lots of room on the Left.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Really? I thought we progressives and light-socialists (demsoc or socdem) were really just alt-right and going up against the wall with the rest of them...

    (yeah, sarcasm, but those are things people have literally said to my face)

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    [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I support any country's right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia's imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don't quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.

    I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia's largest export after all.

    All of that isn't meant to excuse Russia; it's unethical to murder for oil. But it's intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Eastern Ukraine has a lot of natural gas, actually. Plus Ukraine has a lot of pipelines for getting that natural gas into the rest of Europe. Technically not oil, but one of the main objectives of the war was absolutely about controlling Europe's access to fossil fuels.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    "USA Left" != "EU Left"

    there are of course leftists like what you are thinking in the US but are a smaller or quieter group here due huge pushes the other way

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I am hoping by "communists" you mean people who are aligned with marxism ideal, but not people supporting authoritarian capitalist regimes.

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