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Communist parties are banned in Ukraine BTW. (lemmy.ml)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140

Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true

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[–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

I support any country's right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia's imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don't quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.

    I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia's largest export after all.

    All of that isn't meant to excuse Russia; it's unethical to murder for oil. But it's intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's really not hard to understand. Ukraine discovered huge gas deposits in Donbass, which threatened Muskovy's ability to control the price like they wanted. There was no US coup, and the horrors inflicted have been from Muskovy.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I have no interest in sounding reasonable to redfash

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Google "Jewish scholars double genocide myth" and be ashamed you'd ever use the phrase "red fash" and then do better.

    How does this antisemitism always show up in anticommunism? /s

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Shocking; redfash tries to silence their critics by accusing them of antisemitism with no justification or support whatsoever. Typical red herring from someone who has no real argument.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Shocking: anti-communist denies allegations of anti-semitism while repeating nazi propaganda (Google "Jewish scholar double genocide theory" for more info on why equating communism and nazism carries water for nazis)

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)
    1. straw man, bc I never claimed double genocide, and 2) just bc double genocide can be used by Nazis doesn't mean it isn't true. Dialectics has really rotted your brain, comrade
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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Eastern Ukraine has a lot of natural gas, actually. Plus Ukraine has a lot of pipelines for getting that natural gas into the rest of Europe. Technically not oil, but one of the main objectives of the war was absolutely about controlling Europe's access to fossil fuels.

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