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[–] 90 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Techbros don't understand or care about consent

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    They got that idea "ask for forgiveness not permission" pushed to them by capitalist extremists for too long. I despise that concept in any context, whether justifying rape or violating privacy or anything else. But I even see it in TV shows these days portrayed as normal. Gross 🤮

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    [–] 74 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    If you don't want this stuff on your phone, lemme point you to:

    GrapheneOS (Pixels only, has Most Security at Tinfoil Hat level while also providing compatibility for Google Play (optional, sandboxed) and SafetyNet)

    CalyxOS (Pixels, Some Moto G 5G, Fairphone 5, 4, SHIFTphone 8, less Security than GrapheneOS but has Security)

    LineageOS (Many older devices, runs unlocked boot so least Security but still can run sans google)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If we are on an old pixel (eg pixel 4) is it more or less secure to switch to graphene? Neither Google nor graphene are doing updates for that model anymore

    I've thought of getting an 8 to put graphene on but the recent news from the project about Google making it harder on them has me pausing since I don't fully understand what is affected.

    I don't want Gemeni anywhere near my messages and phone content.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can put graphene on a 4. It won't be supported but will be more secure. Still not recommended by me or grapheneos. They say that the reason they support pixels is due to the security, not the aosp support, and that they will continue to develop grapheneos. Android 16 is the first new build with the changes and grapheneos is testing it now iirc. I would personally recommend seeing how 16 goes (possibly post after the update hits stable asking for user feedback) and decide based on that. You should probably get something new as the complete lack of security updates is quite bad but that could help you decide whether to go with graphene. Personally, I am on grapheneos and am not worried about it.

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    [–] [S] 50 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Interestingly, the same mentioned article from Android Police sells it as a "privacy win". I've tried to read it as a positive spin, and I seriously don't understand what these guys have been smoking.

    https://www.androidpolice.com/upcoming-gemini-for-android-change-privacy-settings/

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    I completely agree, I guess what they call "privacy win" is that this feature can now work without storing data on Google (highlighted by me):

    Based on Google's email, it seems the company will allow Gemini to access messages, WhatsApp, and control device system settings without requiring that you enable the Gemini Apps Activity setting for your account. This setting saves your Gemini history to your Google account, potentially allowing for better personalization.

    Previously, if you had this setting disabled for your Google account, you weren't able to use the Messages, Phone, Utilities, or WhatsApp extensions in Gemini (via 9to5Google). Once this change rolls out to your account, you will be able to access these features without having to save your Gemini history on Google's servers.

    When they say

    potentially allowing for better personalization

    they sound like the companies trying to sell you these features without mentioning the privacy implications of said features. :/

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    In a glass half full perspective, it won't send all your data to Google's servers. The part they are not saying is that the data even remotely related to your query is going to be sent to Google anyway. They are claiming they will delete the data after 72 hours, which I believe they will for now, but knowing them, there's probably going to be a sneaky policy update in a couple of years.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    We use Chromebooks at my work (along with the whole Google suite), and we are bound by the rules of HIPAA. Without a way to opt out of this AI crap, I increasingly worry about what all of this means for our clients' privacy. Especially with this administration, with RFK deadset on targeting people with disabilities.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • This makes me so happy I'm using Graphine OS. Also the entire idea that there "not storing my history" I don't trust them. They have already been sued multiple times over keeping ingogneto data.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Living the good life over here:

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    How much of a risk is GraphenOS to install? I really don't wanna brick my phone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I had the same concern so I actually just bought a used newer pixel and started a fresh install of Graphene. It took me several weeks to learn how it works and migrate my accounts and switch to FOSS apps wherever I could.

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  • [+] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Just install GrapheneOS on your device and AI is pretty much gone

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    So a system-wide wiretap?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    That's why degoogle community have more users recently !

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    No, it's really not. Primarily, because I'm using LineageOS with absolutely no Google services at all installed.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Just disable Gemini completely.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe most people who care about privacy don't trust Gemini or Google in general. So it's not an issue if you already not using Gemini app. It can be uninstalled (at least for now) even without going alternative ROM way

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I went outside my comfort zone and installed Lineage on my old Pixel, only to find out I couldn't get wi-fi calling, so I reverted to my Google OS. Oh no. Any options other than Lineage or a new phone? This 6 year old phone works great except for the lack of updates, and except for the upcoming Gemini updates :( I'm struggling.

    Edit: Ubuntu Touch, anybody?

    Edit 2: Looks like VoLTE isn't supported on Ubuntu, either. Any idea why?

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    So what happens if I have Gemini disabled overall on my phone?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Gemini now has a second set of toggles buried in its settings menu. You can go to Profile → Apps inside the Gemini app and manually disable access to Phone, Messages, WhatsApp, or Utilities. But these are turned on by default, even if you’ve disabled tracking in the past.

    So I just went to the app in my neighbor's phone, and it asked me to switch. I said no, and it won't let me do anything else. So will this need to be done next week?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Alright, is there some super-populated center for enthusiast nerds who make Androids less 1984 and shit? Like, the fdroid sub or something? I’m still on the ol’ Tim Cooker but when this thing croaks I’m switching teams. I don’t need Google getting sloppy seconds, though.

    I mean, feels like everyone has a phone these days. Surely some niche sect of Internet nerds has a cutting edge solution for this shit.

    Is it just GrapheneOS with FDroid apps? What about Google Play Store apps, can I use those without getting fucked? Can I retain nearly every stock feature on an Android without selling my soul to Google? Which Android phone should I buy if I want things to run smoothly with the modifications I need to make? (Are those new touch flip-phones on the menu? Are they more durable now? I fantasize about DS emulation, and slapping my phone together to hang up on people. I just remember hearing all about the highly scratch-able screens and hinge problems.)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    GrapheneOS puts Play Services in a sandbox so it's no longer rooted. You can restrict what parts of your filesystem each app has access to very strictly.

    For now people still send me emails on Gmail, so I still have Gmail installed, but very limited permissions.

    It's a huge improvement.

    You can also start sessions that entirely shut down Play Services so you're living entirely with FOSS products.

    I'm not quite there yet because I still use maps and drive and photos. Gonna figure out replacements, unfortunately nobody else has the traffic and live rerouting that Google maps does, even if you are willing to pay.

    If you've got a pixel, highly recommend. If you have a different relatively recent phone check out lineage or e/os.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Graphene, Lineage, Calayx OS are all there. Pick one and never worry about this no control over your phone thing. Personally only used graphene OS but I heard the others are similar.

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