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[–] 127 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

Trump was going to push and threaten until this happened. It shouldn’t be a surprise after all this time and all his ranting and it should be granted. He’s accused of using his followers to stage an attack; of course he shouldn’t be allowed to again.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I suspect stochastic terrorism is the last card he has to play.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Wouldn't the real last card be organizing & mounting a full blown insurrection? Not like the first attempt where he could try to keep his hands relatively clean of it, as he's tried to do in a number of other criminal schemes related to his businesses.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Part of me wishes he would try it, because you just don’t come for the US Federal Government. Trump talks a big game and has a following, but the Feds are fucking psychos. These people killed MLK. These people have overthrown countless foreign governments. They’ve been trafficking drugs, weapons, and humans since before you and I were born.

    I’m not saying I’m happy about it. I’m ashamed to be American every day that I wake up. But Trump is small potatoes to them. If he ever tried a coup for real it would end very badly for him, I promise you.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The system is designed to protect and preserve the status quo. Apparently he forgot that, I doubt he is up to date on his American history.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I doubt he knows the first thing about American history. Hes has several old teachers admit he was a fucking moron and IIRC there is documentation that Trump Sr paid his son's way thru school. So that moron probably knows less about US history than most middle school kids.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I am convinced he wanted a full blown insurrection the first time around, and fully planned to enter the capitol as newly coronated emperor. He wanted armed protesters to hang around his rally, and he fully planned to go there. The reason he didn't is that once he got into his car the secret service over ruled his last-minute request (because he knew it would not be approved), and he got MAD. He tried to physically take control of the car, but yeah, apparently the president does not have the authority to put himself in harm's way.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    He and his merry band of idiot followers can't organise a coup, they don't have the collective brain power. IQ in the low 40s, no idea what's going on in the world outside of their bubble, and prone to infighting and arguing about whose conspiracy theory is the correct conspiracy theory.

    They all think they would just march in waving their guns around, and automatically win, but what would actually happen is they'd end up getting cut to ribbons, then the rest would run away.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Wouldn’t the real last card be organizing & mounting a full blown insurrection? Not like the first attempt where he could try to keep his hands relatively clean of it, as he’s tried to do in a number of other criminal schemes related to his businesses.

    I doubt he'd be capable of orchestrating that. he threw his insurrectionists under the bus last time by inciting them and then not pardoning them; Trumpers willing to do such a thing are in or going to prison. Makes it hard to incentivize the next batch.

    He's lost support in the military. Can you imagine him trying to lead troops like a general? It would be the shortest coup ever. He'd probably change enemy troop locations with a sharpie because he doesn't like where they are.

    Trump is good at spewing vile rhetoric, he's not competent or popular enough to carry out a successful violent insurrection.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago

    I would put money on Trump violating the terms of this protective order. The question is will the court do what is necessary to prevent him from tainting a jury or tampering with witnesses which he has already warned about during his arraignment?

    I want to believe that they will take these threats seriously given his track record of escalating violence when he has been backed into a corner. I just don't think it should require someone else getting injured or killed before they act. Multiple people have already lost their lives over this, and how many more is it going to take before he will be held accountable for that too?

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  • [–] [B] 62 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith appealed to the federal judge overseeing former President Trump’s election fraud case Friday evening to issue a protective order for evidence, citing social media threats.

    “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” the former president posted earlier on Truth Social — a move which has already drawn criticism with a former spokesperson for Trump calling it “chilling” and “witness intimidation.”

    “Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him,” Smith wrote in the filing.

    “If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details — or, for example, grand jury transcripts — obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case,” he added.

    Prosecutors claimed the attempts to reach an agreement on a protective order with Trump’s legal team have been fruitless, and have prevented the prosecution from supplying documents to the defense as quickly as they would like.

    Trump was indicted on four federal charges Tuesday, alleging that he attempted to orchestrate a fake electoral college vote scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election.


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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (32 children)

    Man. What absolute asshat. What I could do with one iota of his confidence and self righteousness

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Protective order, not a gag order, as I understand it.

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    FTFA:

    Editor’s Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the strict order preventing the former president from mentioning details and evidence from the case against him in public is a protective order.

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (9 children)

    I'm hardly an expert, just someone who loves studying law by myself until I can afford formal law school, and I did a little PR work during my internship, but despise my rudimentary exposure, Trump, his spokespeople, and legal team are approaching these indictments in the completely wrong way. They are too adversial and argumentative. Speaking little and gently would be much more helpful, and maybe even opting for a guilty plea. Trump needs to stop whining about how much he hates being prosecuted and the publicists and attorneys on his payroll need to stop regurgitating his bellyaches. It's not like I think he won't be sentenced for being agreeable. He likely will, but maybe they'd be able to make some compromises. Now I know why Ivanka will not work on her father's current campaign. Her style of arguing is much more reserved, while her two eldest brothers have an aggressive style which seems to be the only one their father seems willing to emulate. I bet Trump did not listen to his daughter's advice often enough. Edited a word.

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Getting a 404 error on that link.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What exactly can they do or enforce

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Well if you or I made veiled threats we would be imprisoned while awaiting trial for violating the terms of our release on personal recognizance. My question is what happens if someone else is injured or killed as his violent rhetoric once again escalates. Will he be held to account for that, or will the court act in an attempt to prevent that? It remains to be seen, but I firmly believe that if he causes any more violence they will be forced to detain him in house arrest at a minimum.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Any normal person charged with 60+ felonies would be held without bond. Trump unfortunately doesn’t really deal with the same punishment conventions

    To be honest I’m shocked we’ve gotten this far in charging him

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