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[–] 24 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

What is the size of the “median” home in each area? Single family, or townhome, or condo?

Given that this appears to be a median average, this graphic does not account for the extremely wide variance depending on the cases above. A two bedroom condo and a five bedroom single family home could easily have a $2000/mo variance in the mortgage cost.

The other item that would perhaps be useful would be to call out what the down payment requirement is for each of these areas; ie, you can only achieve a $3000/mo mortgage if you’ve also put down $140,000, which is unachievable for over 90% of the country.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    There is no way that this graphic isn’t including the entire metro area. The city I currently live in is on the list and so is the city that I am planning to relocate to. Prices shown do not accurately reflect the prices of houses/condos that I would consider “in the city”.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    From the Bay Area, $1.5M will get you a two bed one bath or three bed 1.5 bath home built in 1925 or so. You can buy in a lower end neighborhood for a little less or a higher end one for a bit more, but the standard is going to be a craftsman home from 1906 with a driveway if you’re lucky.

    I think the graphic also used a 20% down payment and a slightly over 6% mortgage in the calculation.

    I just want to retire and move someplace cheap, like NYC or London.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wow, two bedrooms for only $1.5mil! What a steal!

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I saw a house in Phoenix that was in my price range. I thought, "Wow, this house has a lot of natural light."

    The last photo was a picture of the roof, or lack thereof.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    lmao cries in San Jose

    I mean, the thing is, it's not even that great a city. Like, sure the tech jobs are here, and the bay area overall is nice and has temperate weather, but San Jose itself is a giant sprawling suburb. Downtown is "okay" and we do have public transit in the form of the light rail but it's pretty slow.

    I'm paying $3.4k to rent a 2x2.5 townhome with my partner currently. It's very nice, and my landlords are just a very nice couple rather than a company, but dang is it expensive just to live here.

    And before anyone asks, I live here 1) because I work in tech and the jobs are here, and 2) because my family all lives in the Bay Area and they're very important to me.

    Anyway, my formal recommendation to any of you looking to move to San Jose is to basically not do that. Find a remote job and work in tech that way, or hybrid so you can live further out and commute only a couple times a week.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I'd love to know where the houses you can afford on a $140K salary in DC are. Unless house here is loosely defined as a place where you live (apartments, condos), I'm certain this data is flawed.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My dumbass had a nice 3 bed 2 bath home in NM that I was paying a measley $600 a month as a first time buyer. I then sold it and moved to the Boston area.

    I regret everything.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    It would be much more useful to see a comparison to income so you could get a better idea of how realistic purchasing a home actually is. For example, Buffalo has cheap homes, but can you get a job there that afford one? And how is the quality of life there? How is crime? Like, it might be the case that San Jose is a better deal or more realistic if salaries are high enough to justify the home price. Because right now, this is more a map of just, what is the overall economy like for each city.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    why the hell is Pittsburgh Pennsylvania so cheap?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    median price home

    So I nice mid life house...

    Median price homes aren't affordable, start home and median price home are mutually exclusive.

    Median price home literally is going to be about the halfway point between a starter home and a fucking mansion

    It boils my blood everytime I see these info dumps starting off with average or medium house prices.

    That's not a fucking starter home price.

    It's like looking at the median price of a car and then trying to say that cars aren't affordable for your first car.

    You don't spend 20k to 30k in your first car, you buy near the bottom percentile as your starter. Your first car is like a fraction of the cost of the median.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Interesting that Pittsburgh has a lower median house price than Detroit.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Have you seen Detroit? A third of homes downtown are completely derelict.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hey, that's called a fixer-upper!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    That's honestly what's been happening. When we were shopping around there, I'd been seeing neighborhoods being fixed up one by one by contractors, because you've been able to buy places for literally $1k, and have been selling for $250k. It's pretty wild to see, especially when some of these neighborhoods get completely gentrified and suddenly all the houses jump up another $100k. You'll see a neighborhood of houses that might have a couple sales for $20-50k, and then 1-2 of the renovated ones selling for ~$200k, and literally on the other side of the road those exact same homes are going for $300-400k.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I want to see Honolulu

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    The median household income in Portland, OR is $78k and the salary needed to afford a house is $136k?

    Yup, sounds about right.

    edit: Looks like I should consider moving to Pittsburgh...

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Wait till they find out it's likely harder to rent in many areas, too, thanks to the new ratio requirement.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They should include the interest rate they are using to calculate the mortgage. Based on what's provided they are assuming around a 6% mortgage which is no longer available. Tack an extra $1,000 monthly payment onto that million dollar home and an extra $40,000 to your income to make it affordable. (Assuming debt/income ratio and income taxes)

    Did I miss anything?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Good luck buying a house in Seattle on a $170,000 salary. It's going to be a beat-down, tiny thing, with no yard, in a questionable area.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Ah yes, New England is perfectly readable on this graph

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I kinda wanna move to Buffalo now.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    This is beautiful! Does anyone know the software used to create this visualization?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I like to joke that I moved from the SF Bay Area to Seattle for the affordable housing, but it's funny because it's true.

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  • [+] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Now that insurances against natural disasters start costing a fortune in places like Florida, and you probably have to have such an insurance to get a mortgage there, it, the costs for housing down there will probably skyrocket soon.

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