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[–] 191 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So Trump is telling ICE to break the law? It looks like Trump is guilty of another crime.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Who's gonna fuckin stop em??

    They just arrested a judge. The only people who've been able to slow this roll.

    What do you think happens next...?

    The entire Armed Forces and Judicial Branch of the Executive is cronies from the Cabinet and AG down. If they feel like it they'll mobilize militias to do their work for them.

    Citizen cops. Watch out. You may not hate cops now, but you'll understand what's been wrong with the whole system real soon. "Good cops" will be placeholders for men favorable to the regime. They will be corrupted.

    Bribes will become commonplace in day-to-day business. This will often feel counterproductive. That's because it is.

    Odds are this will play out quietly. Unless the Military does a surprise one, the Democrats aren't putting forward anything capable of challenging the regime. Sorry AOC and Bernie, I love you but Coachella ain't gonna cut it.

    Build federated networks in your own life. The model applies. Organize horizontally not vertically/hierarchically. Find people making choices and doing things and help them.

    Added predictions: the US invades Panama (again). Ukraine drags out. Recession settles in, staved off by markets hungry for short-term gains looted from Latin America, Ukraine, probably both. Probably around September a major bubble pops in the US stock market no matter what the tariff situation ends up being. Things get worse. Edit: Panama invasion may come as a result of this

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    [–] 154 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the actual reason why there is a 2nd amendment

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    They believe the constitution should be interpreted to uphold the will of a leader/law and order over liberty of the people.

    I'm not saying I disagree with you, just telling you what the legal argument will likely be when they arrest people or return force when people try to defend their home.

    That argument JD Vance made about judges not having the authority to rule against executive decision is not his original argument. Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument favoring unchecked executive authority over all other government and executive power over liberty for a very long time.

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    [–] 101 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ICE is a criminal organization.

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    [–] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Leela: You'll never pardon anybody because you'll never get elected president. The voters of Earth aren't the pea-brained idiots they were back in your time.

    Nixon: Oh, no? Well, listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who's changed is me. I've become bitter and, let's face it, crazy over the years. And once I'm swept into office, I'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat and I'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place.

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  • [–] [S] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I know most people on Lemmy are already aware of this, but I'm wondering if anyone who still doesn't think it will effect U.S. citizens (whatever that even means anymore) realize that DHS is also trying to dismantle their civil rights offices.

    They are claiming it is because the offices keep getting in the way of their immigration practices, but only 2 of the 3 offices have to do with immigration.

    They 3rd is the office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. It doesn't matter if you believe you're the "right kind of American," or you can argue that you can trace your family to the Mayflower. This is who ensures you have civil rights and civil liberties while dealing with DHS. If you or a loved one end up in DHS custody for some reason and need to use FOIA to prove it happened, this is the office you would rely on.

    The people that handle domestic security for the country want to get rid of the office that protects the rights of Americans. Meanwhile, they have also signed this memo saying they no longer need a warrant to search people's homes if they suspect there might be an immigrant hiding in your home bc those immigrants might be terrorists.

    Again, if you're thinking well I'm not hiding immigrants, it really doesn't matter.

    Maybe one of your neighbors reported you were to fuck with you. Maybe you pissed off the wrong DHS agent or other government employee and you're being targeted.

    The point is, if you're not concerned because you think it won't effect you, your ancestors that "came here legally" to escape tyranny would think you're either stupid, delusional, or simply choosing to be in complete denial of reality.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe one of your neighbors reported you were to fuck with you. Maybe you pissed off the wrong DHS agent or other government employee and you're being targeted.

    This is exactly what happened during the French Reign of Terror, the Salem Witch Trials, and countless other times throughout history. It's happened before, and it will happen again. If someone doesn't like you for whatever reason, they would now have a way to get rid of you, just by using one accusation, regardless of whether it's true or not.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago

    This shit is so similar to the reign of terror and other failed authoritarian playbooks, I've honestly wondered if they're just feeding AI historical data to come up with plans that avoid the pitfalls of previous dictators.

    Like they don't comprehend that dictatorships will always inevitably fail because people have an innate desire/drive to be free from oppression and tyranny. Not because dictator X did Y instead of Z, so maybe if they combine dictator X's strategy with dictators A and B, it might just work this time!

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There was a traffic stop a month or so ago where the city police were called by BP for assistance and they actually assisted them in kidnapping people. The mayor is pissed and says that can't happen due to our sanctuary city status (since 1986) and now the federal government is suing us. We have a HUGE population of immigrants from all over the world here as refugees and to attend our two universities and this is going to get ugly.

    The head of C&BP is coming to my city this week because of all this. Something tells me ICE is going to be crawling all over this city the whole week and longer. BP already crawls all over the city because we're on the northern border.

    I live in a HUD building. I see ICE searches without warning in my near future because of how many immigrants are here. My cane might be useful for more than just balancing me while walking.

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    [–] 47 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Hey ICE, if the President tells you to do something illegal, you don’t do it! You can still be held liable.

    Is it really that hard to have ethics anymore?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ICE doesn't care. They're obviously enjoying being able to do what theyve been doing the past few months.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago

    There are federal agents that have been reshuffled to ICE as punishment for the Jan 6 investigations, and have been accused of leaking information to the press.

    I originally just thought the termination of civil rights offices would mainly be to use polygraphs on these employees and refuse due process rights because so many were trying to warn people of what this administration is doing.

    I wasn't expecting something like this memo so soon.

    There are definitely plenty of loyalists carrying this shit out, but I believe the administration may be intentionally trying to reshuffle as many federal employees as possible (and now city police to ICE) to increase civil unrest and increase the chances the public will turn on the same people leaking information.

    If Congress won't do their job, it will come down to these people willing to refuse orders and face termination if not arrest. The only reason I bring this up, is that if this happens we should keep in mind that there have been people inside ICE trying to warn the country about this stuff for a long time.

    If we are too quick to dismiss all of them as loyalists, the administration will be able to downplay any dissent when orders are refused, and possibly convince others who are on the fence that it's in their best interest to comply bc the public is not on their side.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ethically, yes. Legally, they'll just kill you.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's my plan. Just upgraded my front door gun to something with a higher fire rate.

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    [+] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)
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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Welcome to the New United States of America, where the Contitution is no longer valid where contradicting King Trump.

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  • [+] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Let's see how long it takes for an ICE goon to get the FAFO treatment.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In a more just world, our local police forces would stop this illegal activity.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    It sounds like we should prepare for a rash of home invasion shootings. (I'm not promoting anything, just saying)

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago

    And they will claim they are in their right to return force. Idk what to tell you. I agree this is fucked up and you should have a right to defend your home.

    That is the most basic American shit. The people that are on the white house legal team agree with that unless it conflicts with executive authority. To me that seems like you might as well have a king at that point, but they believe that a leader is chosen to promote what is best for his people. Given he was elected to do that, law and order (which is up to the leaders interpretation) takes presedence over liberty.

    Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument the constitution should be interpreted to favor executive authority and power over individual liberty for a very long time.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Gee I wonder what Americans tend to do to trespassers.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, there's already a video of them doing this.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Hmm. Stand your ground against fascism.

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