For the people who have not yet decided on a search engine. The most EU way you can go is Ecosia or Qwant as they are building their own search index.

Ecosia is my personal pick as its also aimed at planting trees and they have quite a good browser alongside it.

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[–] 54 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Great! Ecosia works super well, and it feels good to not having to rely on google to find things. Only thing I’d wish for is that they’d have some map service or similar to find restaurants and shop. There is sadly no good replacement for google maps that I’ve found

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ecosia works well enough for me too. The tree planting thing should never be forgotten. The scope of their work is impressive and they're very transparent about their goals and funding. No other search engine comes close to that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The tree planting sounds so much like greenwashing and an excuse to serve ads

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    200 million trees. Far from greenwashing.

    Folks, critical thinking is more important than ever these days. Making conclusions based on a brain fart - when we have the internet at our fingertips - is partly why the world is the way it is.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    I listened to a podcast a couple years ago. The founder talked about how he made sure that Ecosia can not be sold and monetized, he himself is not making much money from it. My english is not good enough to explain it in more detail. :)
    I see greenwashing everywhere, but as far as I can tell from the podcast and their YouTube, this is legit.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Its already been mentioned but if you don't need reviews you can use Here WeGo maps. Its a good alternative and with more users (who make fixes if something is missing) it'll get better and better

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    @Extrawurst @Kualdir For Navigation alone, I find Magic Earth (which uses OSM] to be a perfectly fine replacement, that even offers some features Gmaps hasn't. Like being able to download whole countries for offline navigation, Driver Assistance etc.

    For the reviews... That's more difficult. https://lib.reviews/ is one attempt, but it has nowhere near the dataset (duh) and the reviews are not directly visible on the map.

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    We will develop a privacy-first search index, which will be used by both Ecosia and Qwant, and unlike proprietary solutions, we are making the index available to others.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Both are great! In my experience Qwant gives better search results, so thats what i use. I even prefer Qwant's results over Google's. But Ecosia is a great option as well because of the tree planting.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    I use Ecosia for personal use and Qwant for work. So I support both!

    Ecosia is my personal choice because of the tree planting as well. But I agree Qwant results are a bit better, which for me only matters while I work.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Maybe I'll use Ecosia again

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good news, needs to happen as fast as possible.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Anything that can displace American tech is good.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It doesn't mention whether it'll be opensource or not. A proprietary search index that isn't USAian is probably better, but still opensource would be better.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So many people are happy here. I can understand why but quick reminder that Qwant is not privacy friendly like they claim to be and that the CEO is a bastard who threatened employees.

    As for Ecosia, the only green they have is their name. Great they plant trees but they pushed AI so it's basically like if they are destroying the trees they planted.

    There is a search engine with their own index from UK, privacy-friendly, it is called Mojeek. It is not as good as the others but I've been using it for maybe 4 months and it already improved a lot. They need users to give feedback and improve. Give it a try ! 😊

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know how far in the rabbithole I am, but at this point I feel like it's nearly impossible to find a company that doesn't have dirt on it in one way or another. There are alternatives in some domains, but for search engines, it's really narrowed down to Brave (which also have some not very nice people in it) and Duck duck go, which uses Bing. Which is basically pointless to me, not even talking about using UE products, for me, the best way to get some fresh air is to have companies that have their own search engines (so, not Bing or Google, this is why I don't use alternatives like Starpage or Searx) There's Mojeek, yes, but last time I used it, it was...really bad. I still encourage them tho! I'll give it another shot now.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Any News on when this will go live?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    1H for Qwant and its indexing of French websites. 2H for Exosia and its indexing of German websites.

    The index is expected to start serving France-based search engine traffic for Ecosia and Qwant by the first quarter of next year. It will then expand to include a “significant portion” of traffic in Germany by the end of 2025. English would be the third language they’d look to add, the pair said, adding that more European languages could follow in the future if momentum builds.

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/11/ecosia-and-qwant-two-european-search-engines-join-forces-on-building-an-index-to-shrink-reliance-on-big-tech/

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Search engines are dying, I doubt they'll have much relevance in ten years or so, unless something radically changes. Walled gardens, SEO, AI spam, and so on.

    I wonder where the solution lies. The way the modern internet works is completely hostile to the idea of crawler-based search engines, so I feel like the focus should be on creating an alternative, people-first internet which is completely hostile to brands, corporations and advertisers, ran by communities and individuals, etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Far from it, if you're willing to pay for good search check out Kagi. You don't realize how busted search is until you see what it's like when ads aren't the business model.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Sounds great! I've been happy with Ecosia currently. I tried Qwant, but I have strict privacy settings enabled in my browser and it says it couldn't get a secure connection. I'm sure it's 100% safe, but I just settled for Ecosia for now. Looking forward to trying out their new partnered search engine.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Now if only anyone of them would offer a paid ad-free option. I'd drop Kagi in an instant

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is either one worth the switch from duckduckgo?

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Was using startpage the entire time but because of this i'll try out qwant.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Good thing I recently changed my standard search engine to Wcosia!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    This is the way! Excited to try it!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Qwant is actually pretty decent compared to the competition.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Enamoured with Qwant. Great plugins for iOS/Mac too

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