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[–] 113 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Not really

Windows 7 was pretty, it was customisable, it was stable. And microshaft had yet to start fucking about with ads everywhere and invasive "features". Peak windows right there.

XP was also pretty good for its time. At that point Linux and OSX had caught up and surpassed it in many ways, but it did what it had to without getting in the way.

95 was an innovator if anything, ahead of pretty much anything else on desktop at the time, even if it DID fart and die whenever someone looked at it funny.

It was always a proprietary creation by an anticompetitive tech megacorp, and therefore bad from THAT angle, but it didn't start being truly shite from a pure user experience angle until like. 8.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Win 7 was ok but remember, it still came with three control panels, a fucking registry and 8bit palette drwatson icon in system32 along with gigabytes of absolutely useless shit.

    It was good for a windows, but it was still windows.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nothing wrong with the Registry

    It's a different way of handling things compared to how Linux (and most unixes) does it with 18391823 text files

    But it's a perfectly functional and sensible solution for storing system configurations.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The registery is much easier to break, much harder to debug and much harder to fix, UNIX config is more human-friendly, I'll never mess with the registery again

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A centralized place to store settings (e.g. the registery) isn't a bad idea in and of itself.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That.

    I'll add that a lot of the issues people have with the registry have less to do with the registry itself (it's just -- A database of settings. Nothing shocking about that) and a lot to do with Windows' philosophy and the problems that creates.

    Like yes, the registry of a computer that has been running windows for a few years is a bloated mess which creates a bunch of problems of its own -- But that's not in and of itself because the registry is a centralised binary database.

    Rather it is because -- Well. Microsoft. Tech corporations in general. Want computers to behave like magic boxes. Not machines you have to learn to operate. This means that whenever you install something or modify something on windows, you are left in the dark as to a lot of the stuff going on under the hood. Windows error messages are very obscure and nonspecific. When you install something, do you know what it has added to your registry? What dlls it has dropped around your machine? And with so many third party programmes and utilities dropping into the system, that shit builds up, and not even an experienced user will fully know what has built up unless they've been making a deliberate effort to keep track.

    Compare that to Linux, which is made by nerds FOR nerds... And so everything is thoroughly documented. With the general unspoken understanding that a. You will sooner or later go under the hood and mess about in there; and b. If something fucks up, whether it is directly your fault or not, you're the one who will have to fix it, so here's ALL the receipts on how shit works so you CAN do that.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I have an old rig for old games and I still have Win7 SP1 installed on that. It never gets updates as it's not connected to the internet. I know everything works there and thus it is now a time capsule. Never change a running system lol

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    You've perfectly summarized my own feelings toward the best versions of Windows. Thank you. I feel more centered seeing it summarized so well in writing.

    I'll add that I found Vista cool and interesting on a technical level, even while the practical outcome was pretty awful.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I always get pooped on when I say this, but I didn't like 7. it brought the confusing libraries, ugly glass theme, and all computers I used it on, explorer (file manager, taskbar) crashed a lot and had to do win+r -> explorer.exe to get it going again.

    I liked vista, but I only used it on my very first pc and for not much else but web browsing. I also liked 8.1, just needed to tweak it a bit, like replace that horrible start menu. I had instructions for myself for all kinds of registry stuff that needed to be done to a fresh install.

    hated 10 from the beginning because it immediately seemed like it fights back too much, forcing microshit down your throat, and all that spying crap.

    and finally when I saw 11....well, I've used mint for about two years now.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago*

    People who don't like Glass Themes can't be my friends. Frutiger Aero looks like happiness and a better time when technology was exciting instead of alarming.

    You are otherwise entitled to your opinion (fwiw I never used those libraries and still don't know what they were FOR) and I entirely believe your experience of having instability. Windows just be like that sometimes. No pooping here.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    explorer (file manager, taskbar) crashed a lot and had to do win+r -> explorer.exe to get it going again.

    This still happens on up-to-date Win10 occasionally. I've seen it on multiple machines, hardware tests good. A variant I've seen is that the Start button responds to click (changes color) but does not open the menu.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    7 from start to finish was the most polished and stable imo. Early 10, I would put right up there with it. 8.1 wasnt as awful as many claimed, despite gui changes. Xp took FOREVER to get to a good place, 95 was jank city.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Kind of, to varying degrees. Posting the ones I've actually used enough to have an opinion:

    • Win 3 through 3.11 and below: Limited
    • Win 9x: unstable
    • Win ME: don't get me started
    • Win 2k: Decent, actually. At least after a couple of service packs
    • Win XP: Win 2k with teletubbies theme
    • Win Vista: "users are too stupid to be allowed to do this just like that"
    • Win 7: Decent, actually
    • Win 8: worst UI ever
    • Win 8.1: sometimes MS actually listens to feedback

    EDIT: While I absolutely hated using Vista, I think it's unfair to complain about its performance compared to that of Win XP. XP was 6-7 years old at the time of Vista release - of course it's going to demand less of your PC.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    @drq @linuxmemes some noses work better than others

    but calling windows shit is unfair. shit can still help plants grow. this is the kind of stuff you lock away in a mine forever and put a sign in front that says this is not a place of honor.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    It's subjective, but I clearly remember saying Windows couldn't get any worse around the time that (Microsoft was claiming that) Internet Explorer was irrevocably integrated with Windows 98.

    Never believe it when someone says such-and-such can't get any worse. Somehow it always can.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It's been less shit at running games than Linux for... Well, always?

    Downvote all you want, I've seen what makes you cheer.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    So long as the game in question doesn't block you for running linux (fortnight, for instance), then no, you are absolutely wrong. I get much better game performance on Arch Linux cachyos kernel than i do on windows 10. Every single time.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago*

    Doesn't the prefix "en" in enshittification mean "more of"/"increasing"?

    Because "Windows is even more shit" makes perfect sense to me.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    No. Windows 7 was pretty good. Certainly a better desktop experience than Linux at the time (go on, roast me, I've got my flame proof undies on). Windows 10 started out pretty decent, until they ramped up the enshittification. I used Windows for over 30 years and never saw any reason to switch, although I've worked with Unix before Windows was even a thing. Only in the last couple of years did it really become unbearable. And I wouldn't even consider ever using Win11 on any personal machine.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    My understanding was it used to be windows was decent enough, whilst Linux was an upgrade for those who valued freedom.

    Now Linux is quickly going from 'upgrade' to 'only sensible option.'

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    I think Windows 7 was the last version that wasn't there for the purposes of advertising and collecting data in the effort to achieve recurring revenue.

    Legitimately Microsoft was trying to make it a better product until Windows 10. 10 was a better product on accident, but it's also where they started sliding down that slope...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You are likely not old enough to remember windows 2000. It had the NT kernel and did nothing more than expected. It got out of your way so you could do work.

    There have been some improvements over the years, but Microsoft's goals for windows changed after that, which is when enshitification started.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    98SE, 2000, XP (Service Pack 3) and 7 were Windows at their peak.

    Windows 8 and 8.1 were screwed by Microsoft's insistence at creating a more mobile-friendly OS, when the Metro menu was just bad for the desktop user experience. A lot of disgruntled 8/8.1 users did flock to 10 because having the Start menu back was seen as a compromise to having forced telemetry tracking in your OS.

    As for Windows 11, it's getting super shit. Recall AI is being baked into the OS, which will effectively allow Microsoft to snoop and capture data on your computer activity. They claim to not capture sensitive info like bank details or credit card numbers, but I think that's been proven wrong.

    Also, 11 is hardly an upgrade feature-wise, yet requires a significantly beefier PC, and was released at a time when the world was still going through a significant semiconductor shortage.

    The only real hurdle for widespread Linux adoption is anti-cheat support. That, and either getting Linux versions of industry standard software (Microsoft 365, Adobe CS, 3DS Max, etc) or decent support through Wine/Proton.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Windows 7 was the last good a Windows

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    As for later Windows versions 7 and 8.1 were pretty stable and lightweight. It was only in the later versions of Windows 10 when it became filled with ads and some stupid bloatware.

    Earlier Windows 2000 and XP were of course also amazingly well made and even lighter, but weren't exactly as stable.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Windows 10 was great without the bloatware and telemetry that was slowly added to it. At first it was only a small amount that could easily be removed with a script.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Nah man. Windows 10 was full of telemetry from day 1. It was the first version of Windows that hid away the ability to even use a local-only login, trying to push every user onto a MS account for that sweet tracking and advertising dollar.

    They even gave the OS away for free - absolutely unthinkable to 90s/2000s era Microsoft, now why would that have changed?

    Pushing the users to their cloud offerings for those that they can tempt, and tracking, profiling, advertising for every user. From conception.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I miss Windows 7 and the early days of Windows 10. Windows 7 was definitely peak Windows and I can't really remember any complaints I had with it. It did everything I needed it to and very rarely ran into issues. Gaming was great and the bloatware was minimal, at least compared to now.

    Nowadays Windows is full of bloatware and shitty decisions. Gaming has been better on Linux ever since I started using it a couple months back. I'm playing games like the Final Fantasy VII Remake and No Man's Sky this past week and they've been running better on Linux.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, but now there is blood in the poop.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Windows 2000 was the last good windows version.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Naw, Windows 2000 was legit. Everything after that was shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    3.11 was pretty good. After that it's been a mixed bag. A bag of shit, but mixed.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    No, it was a bit crappy before, then got pretty good, but then went to shit.

    Even the solitaire game in Windows now needs an Xbox account, shows an ad before you can play, nags you for s subscription to make ads go away and keeps sending notifications for challenges.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I liked XP. Never had any issues with it and things mostly made sense

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I remember having a bit of fun playing things like Stunt Car Racer on MS-DOS back in the early 90s for a few days. Yeah, that's about it. That's the best I can do even when I'm trying to be charitable. As soon as I owned my first computer (late 90s) I bought a Linux magazine, installed a distro from a cover CD-ROM, and never looked back.

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