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[–] 188 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Except it's not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can't help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Deleting my Facebook account cleaned it up better for me.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them "shove it in your face until you can’t help it".

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yet are we not on Lemmy, flooded with posts detailling every little thing that Musk and Trump do?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Sort of true, but the algorithm that Reddit-like platforms use is transparent and simple (it's just based on likes and dislikes, and I think you can even look up the source for the sorting modes) and hence doesn't directly try to feed you content that'd enrage you. I can just not read the posts about Musk and Trump, since I find most takes on the former bad and don't care much about the latter. Meanwhile, on platforms like Twitter or Tiktok you are directly fed content out of some recommendation ML model trained on user engagement.

    (There's also subtler differences. For example, on Reddit/Lemmy/etc, if you hate a post you can dislike it, which will generally make it show up less to people. But on, say, Tumblr, not only are there no dislikes, but if you are really hate a post you can only respond to it by reposting it, therefore spreading it further among your followers! That's an absolutely devious platform-design move that could have been invented directly by Satan himself.)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Agreed. On most social media websites the sorting algorithm is equivalent to sorting Lemmy/Reddit on controversial. Still I do think there are active parties on Reddit pushing rage bait, and it’s a problem that Hot instead of Best is the standard sorting algorithm on Reddit.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you'd say something stupid to expose someone's cognitive dissonance.

    Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies -- like giving thanks -- could be something more people could do.

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    hell yeah! i've been trying to embrace that IRL too, telling people when i'm enjoying my time with them, telling them when they have a great outfit, appreciating my friends, expressing gratitude for their friendship, even, though this is the hardest one, admitting when i'm wrong outloud

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm so happy I was introduced to the 'net in the 90's - when the mantra was "don't believe everything you read on the internet."

    It's too bad that fell out of vogue.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    I'm not sure if you can call them trolls if they've sincerely lost their grip on reality, and are a significant voting block.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Kinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.

    Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Really nobody in the thread is going to talk about Kremlin disinformation campaigns? That's absolutely part of it.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Most people think the propaganda has some content they want you to believe, but in reality the propaganda has to just keep us arguing and fighting all day instead of using the magic of the internet for cooperation and personal growth by learning about all kinds of stuff and liberating our minds.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It's resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it's their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don't understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.

    It's funny how I reply seriously on this post. It's like I'm inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Yes, that’s why social media should I.) allow downvoting, ii.) use an algorithm that reduces the prominence of downvoted posts and iii.) actively remove bot accounts that attempt to game the voting system. Most social media do none of these things, and in fact push controversial takes.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    The trolls have organized, industrialized, and multiplied like cockroaches. They have also changed from a few phbb forum assholes posting to stir shit and bait people to agenda-driven agents of propaganda. They no longer subsist on lols from making people mad, they get paid money or tribal power.

    Also, F the victim blaming that, what...? People should sit back and let the trolls have it all? The fault isn't with the individuals replying, it's with the service provider that willingly accepts and pushes such activity for profit and engagement.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh come on, don't feed this troll...

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we're seeing is just the continuation of that.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Everyone acting like this is a problem with algorithms or whatever. Nah, algorithms have nothing to do with it. Humans are just this stupid and will follow their desire to be "right" even if it leads them off a cliff. I mean, Lemmy loves feeding trolls. No one on Lemmy seems to understand the concept of "block and move on" (not that I'm totally guilt-free, I love feeding trolls for the same reason I love feeding campfires).

    No one on Lemmy will just ignore the trolls. Quite honestly, I'm wondering if the Internet should adopt a new strategy: mock the troll-feeders. If you catch someone engaging with a troll, you start making fun of them for feeding it. Make it clear that's why you're mocking them. Then maybe they'll grow a brain and stop feeding them (except intentionally, because that's honestly kinda fun sometimes).

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The block button is amazing.

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