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[–] 21 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Did people actually change what they'd say based on whether or not they thought they'd get upvotes? I always just said what I wanted and used the karma to determine how popular of an opinion it was, so pretty much exactly how Lemmy works now. I don't think I ever looked at my overall account karma on Reddit.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Yes. It can also trick you into thinking a reactionary opinion is actually a popular one. For example in my country, ireland, there's been a few incidents were people of different nationalities have done unsavoury things caught on camera. This usually results of the comment section of the ireland sub to have a debate about whether there's too many immigrants in the country. Whichever side gets more upvotes is widely perceived to have "won" and bystanders will in turn adopt that position.

    I don't think I've ever changed an opinion of mine to go along with the hive mind but the karma system has definitely discouraged me from commenting things because I would been downvoted into oblivion. It's not worth getting into arguments when you can clearly see people not siding with you.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    How does this system solve that? Comments still have vote counts and reactionary comments still make it to the top of threads, there's just no visible count of total aggregated votes.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You're correct, the entire system is already in place. The only thing that is currently missing is adding up all of someone's 'karma' from their their posts and having it shown on their profile. Some of the apps already have this implemented since it's easy to incorporate.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    I'm fine being downvoted to oblivion by some anti-good astrotufing campaign, but it's getting honest, legitimate opinions slid down and out of discussion that feels risky

    I'm definitely anti right wing, but that doesn't automatically make the left right about everything.

    What is true about both sides is that some people just wanna look for a fight/argument and dehumanize their political 'other'. It's easy dopamine and righteous rage that drives engagement in every human.

    Any good faith comment that points this out in an argument and has credible examples is always worth its salt.

    I actually like finding out I'm wrong or my information is incomplete/outdated. I don't care for unfounded opinions in myself or others regardless of how they make me feel!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    The biggest issue in some places was, even if your opinion is valid, if it didn’t fit the group speak, it would be downvoted regardless.

    It wasn’t really a great indicator if your opinion was popular or not, it was more if it got that groups niche.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    how do people on this site not realize that the points next to your posts affect how your posts are sorted and are literally the exact same system as reddit? am i just so blind that i can actually see the numbers next to my posts or is everyone here just trying to be so anti-reddit they'll make up bullshit that isn't reality?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (15 children)

    They are talking about karma as a thing you could collect, point totals for all posts added together displayed on your profile. Not the voting mechanism itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lemmy also has this and everyone's point totals are visible from the API. If you're not seeing it, that's because your client is hiding it, not because it doesn't exist.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    The nice thing is though, it's different for every server and from every server, so unless you follow a convention to say the user's homeserver vote total is the definitive amount, then there's no true karma.

    My beehaw account is a great example. I made some comments on Lemmy world before it defederated. World and shitjustworks users can still vote on the old comments but they won't count to my home total, and from Lemmy.world my vote total won't change for that account significantly from that point. The vote totals on this lemmy.ca account will be different from lemmy.ca, beehaw.org or lemmy.world's perspectives because the servers defederated can't see the karma I earned on each comment on the other server, while lemmy.ca can see both.

    Downvotes are also disabled on beehaw, so any downvotes won't affect my total at all but could show on other servers.

    Lastly, there are some servers with 40000 accounts and 3 active users (who post and comment), vote botting is feasibly a thing. Imagine if I made a Lemmy server at Rentlar.org and as the admin I made 20000 accounts who upvote me every where I post. I'd be the first user on Lemmy with 1M total votes, but would that mean anything other than I'm a somewhat tech-savvy narcissistic loser? No.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Wait why is downvoting disabled on beehaw?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    because being negative isn't allowed there.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    You are pretty much correct. Although the moderation is very strict, it makes for a more laid back and friendly experience.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lemmy also has that bro. Some clients display it and some don’t, but when I click on your name I see that you have 510 total comment score and 0 total post score.

    https://i.imgur.com/NxSyRDg_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I believe the devs have said they aren't going to make it officially visible, which is all I care about. If you want to make value judgements on people based on a number so bad that you had to find a client that shows it, more power to you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Reddit bad lemmy good, you are not allowed to say otherwise.

    Edit: Bruh people on lemmy don't get sarcasm either 😭

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Karma system was a horrible feature on reddit.

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    [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I'll dissent. I like the karma system. It gives me a quick read out of who's a troll and who isn't.

    I don't care about post karma so much, but the comment karma was an interesting stat.

    Edit: An important caveat. We MUST keep downvotes visible. MUST. Having just a positive score breeds absolute insanity.

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  • [+] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    What are these upvotes? Here, take one.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Doesnt lemmy have a karma system already? I can see up votes on my posts, and a sum total on my account page.

    Or do you mean something else by “karma”?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The irony is that is seems like some parts of Lemmy has more of a hivemind than Reddit ever did. That is exasperated by the fact that there are so few of us here compared to Reddit that one or two votes weigh more than they would elsewhere.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I've been using Connect for Lemmy, and it lists all your points on your profile. I didn't even realize that wasn't included on the website until right now.

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