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Trump’s Ukraine envoy pick proposed forcing peace talks by withdrawing US weapons (www.theguardian.com)
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Donald Trump’s plan to tap the retired US lieutenant general Keith Kellogg as US envoy to Ukraine and Russia has triggered renewed interest in a policy document he co-authored that proposes ending the war by withdrawing weapons from Ukraine if it doesn’t enter peace talks – and giving even more weapons to Ukraine if Russia doesn’t do the same.

Trump is said to have responded favorably to the plan – America First, Russia & Ukraine – which was presented to him in April and was written by Kellogg and the former CIA analyst Fred Fleitz, who both served as chiefs of staff in Trump’s national security council from 2017 to 2021.

The document proposes halting further US weapons deliveries to Kyiv if it does not enter peace talks with Moscow, while simultaneously warning Moscow that, should it refuse to negotiate, US support for Ukraine would increase.

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[+] 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    The Dems had the opportunity to do something,

    & they instead committed assumption-of-victory & making-believing-of-victory.

    Those don't work.

    Trump promised his followers they'd never have to vote again.

    Don't expect to be able to escape Trump's rule:

    they've literally 10's of thousands of appointees lined-up to prevent civil-rights from ever interfering with their highjacking of the country.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Trump had the entire Dem electorate arrested, shortly after stepping-in, & had someone torture/interrogate some of them, until a "confession" was produced, & then hanged them all, outside of the gov't buildings.

    I don't think he's got the balls to do that, but he's openly admired Putin's psychopathy, & through the years, he's becoming more & more psychopathic himself..

    where will he draw the line, today? tomorrow? the following season? the next year?

    The Dems gave away their chance.

    I don't expect them to ever get any chance to correct anything, now.

    Some changes are permanent, in spite of "status quo's" pretending that nothing changes..

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    ( sorry I replied 2x: I didn't remember having replied, before..

    brain-injury, so memory problems.

    I'll leave both up, to show that I'm daft, is all.

    Apologies : )

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Honestly, you are powerless to do anything about them.

    Trump promised his followers they wouldn't have to vote anymore, & I expect that to be true.

    I don't know if he's got the balls to outright arrest all the elected Democrats, & begin torturing them until someone "confesses" that they were "all" "guilty of treason", then hang them all, to prove his "validity" or "justification"..

    but I don't expect there to be more than 100 million left alive on this continent by 2040, after US Civil War part2's finished butchering everyone..

    Apparently it was the boomer-males & the latinos who couldn't bear the thought of a woman with authority who gave Trump basis-for-total-dictatorship..

    Which proves that unless you keep your already-established people agilely evolving, they ARE GOING TO sink you, for their ego-inertia's protection..

    ( I read, years ago, in an excellent book named "Corps Business: the 30 MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLES of the US Marines", that the US Marines toss you out if you haven't earned promotion in the last 18-months:

    they do not tolerate inertia in their population!

    NOW I am better-understanding the cultural-consequence of not-doing-that kind of thing..

    Forced-evolution XOR .. the inertia-establishment snuffing the organization/country..

    Natural Selection, aka Nature Got There 1st!

    Ruthless, truth is.. )

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    • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You can’t stop Ukraine from defending itself even if you pull the support. Europe should fill the void.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Sadly, it would mean a catastrophe for Ukraine if US stops weapons delivery. We already saw this scenario which resulted in fall of Avdiivka and other huge problems for Ukraine. Heck, EU isn't even capable of producing enough shells plus there is a lot of weapons that have US parts and would be denied to use, such as Storm Shadow and similar.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think we should but Europe doesn't have close to the mean to produce enough weapon as it is. When we started to help Ukraine we realized we couldn't even produce enough riffle bullets let alone missiles.

    Europe is not a federal state. Military speaking there is no Europe. There's a bunch of small countries with their own industry and military capabilities. If Ukraine has french launchers they'll depend on the French industry to produce rockets, not on a 500M people country called "Europe" who has the capabilities to reorganize productions.

    And currently no country in Europe is ready to relinquish militaries capabilities and prerogatives to the union.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    I"ve read that the EU's working on setting-up a standing army, small, but actual, & directly deployable..

    According to this, nope:

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/05/29/fact-check-is-the-eu-setting-up-a-european-army

    it does seem strange, though:

    1. the extra-delay of extra-layers-of-bureaucracy is idiotic, in some situations, &

    2. NATO's gutted, once Trump steps-in, as he's a Putin ally, openly..

    it'd be SANE to be doing that, with Trump & Putin dominating the world, in mere-weeks..

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    • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's not a part of the disarmament treaty the US and Ukraine signed as the Soviet union integrated who in their right mind will ever trust the US again when it comes to treaties. And who's ever going to stand alongside the US in future if they ever need it, they'd be crazy to.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    who in their right mind will ever trust the US again

    No one and why should they? We don't consistently honor our commitments even when doing so is to our own advantage.

    And who's ever going to stand alongside the US in future if they ever need it, they'd be crazy to.

    That's a whole separate topic. Much of the time, national alliances aren't rooted in mutual trust so much as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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    • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe try that approach with Israel instead...

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago

    think about it: this will make US citizens as targeted abroad as isrealis. and from how i understand MAGA they really really like to tell everyone they are victims.

    fuck hamas! fuck herzbülläh!

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    [+] -6 points 2 years ago

    The document proposes halting further US weapons deliveries to Kyiv if it does not enter peace talks with Moscow, while simultaneously warning Moscow that, should it refuse to negotiate, US support for Ukraine would increase.

    Sounds simple enough. Enter peace talks, if a side refuses to do so, the USA helps the other side.

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