Uber was supposed to help traffic. It didn’t. Robotaxis will be even worse::px-captcha

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[+] 112 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Actually good trains and bus systems, actually good bike infrastructure, mixed use spaces that allow people to walk to stuff.

    You forgot the single biggest factor: quit mandating low density. In order for walkability to happen, more trip origins and destinations need to be closer together.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Exactly. In my first time in the US I would spend weeks astonished by the terrible use of land they make of it. Then I discovered businesses were forced by law to build these stupidly large parking lots.

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    The correct way to fix traffic is public transportation: railways and subways.

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    How the fuck was Uber supposed to help traffic? That's the most American take on solving traffic issues I've read in a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The actual study modeled a 40% reduction in number of taxis on the road when hailing was made more efficient, with carpooling passengers, and a re-purposing of parking space:

    In the 2010s, the Senseable City Lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where one of us serves as the director, was at the forefront of using Big Data to study how ride-hailing and ride-sharing could make our streets cleaner and more efficient. The findings appeared to be astonishing: With minimal delays to passengers, we could match riders and reduce the size of New York City taxi fleets by 40%. More people could get around in fewer cars for less money. We could reduce car ownership, and free up curbs and parking lots for new uses.

    But it turns out that just like with widening highways, human behavior responds to the increased efficiency by stepping up the demand to reach the previous equilibrium again.

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    I've never heard this argument. I've heard car share apps could reduce parking issues but how traffic? It's still a car that can hold generally 4, same as anyone has

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

    It's almost like we need to prioritize a better form of interconnected transportation that's more efficient at moving larger amounts of people with a small foot print.

    1000005111

    To clarify, it does not have to be a bus, but it can be a tram, train, subway, elevated rail, cable car, bike, scooter.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Can’t read the article since it’s behind a paywall.

    Uber/Lyft and ride share companies in general put more cars on the road. Even worse, most of them just sitting idle waiting for the app to send them a fare (idling vehicles bad for environment).

    Robotaxis are no different. Most of them will just sit idle or drive around aimlessly until a rider(s) are assigned. If conditions are less than ideal, then they are often just found sitting until the conflict can be resolved.

    Witnessed multiple times where an automated car just sits at a light with hazards on because the light was broken due to recent power surge. Just 1 downed vehicle in a 3 lane road in downtown area caused significant traffic to pile up.

    I just want sane non-car centric infrastructure. Why is that so hard for this country to do? Need to undo this 1950s era of urban planning and transportation.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Need to undo this 1950s era of urban planning and transportation

    I was a kid when I saw it, but wasn’t that one of the end messages of the movie, Roger Rabbit?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Correct. They were going to level Toon Town, or whatever it was called, to make room for a highway. I will never forget this scene because high pitched Christopher Lloyd was fucking terrifying when I first watched it as a kid.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Uber was supposed to help traffic?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The original concept of Uber was ride-sharing, where it would match up riders going to a similar destination, like the airport. But I haven't seen that option pop up in quite a while.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The original concept of Uber was ride-sharing, where it would match up riders going to a similar destination, like the airport. But I haven’t seen that option pop up in quite a while.

    Wrong, it started as "Ubercab" and you could request a black luxury cab. It eventually turned into the app we have now with people trying to make ends meet. It was and is a taxi service.

    Straight from Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber#:~:text=Following%20a%20beta%20launch%20in,times%20that%20of%20a%20taxi.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/111015/story-uber.asp

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The original concept of Uber was ride-sharing undercutting traditional taxis by operating at a loss until the taxi model was essentially dead and then using newfound monopolistic power to juice profits from every angle with reckless disregard for people or the environment they live in until/if regulators stop us.

    That wasn't the original concept, you're confusing the phase 1 marketing pitch for the "concept".

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Uber was supposed

    Uber was never supposed to do anything good.

    In their beginning, Uber was a special purpose vehicle for Big Tech (=their investors) to perform political changes in all kinds of foreign countries, making them compliant, using methods that the others couldn't use openly.

    After their evil head has left, they are just another startup that has become big and fat and brainless.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    In their beginning, Uber was a special purpose vehicle for Big Tech (=their investors) to perform political changes in all kinds of foreign countries, making them compliant, using methods that the others couldn't use openly.

    Could you talk more about this / link things to read about it?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can start with The Uber files, which "is a global investigation into a trove of 124,000 confidential documents from the tech company that were leaked to the Guardian."

    Summary

    Uber broke laws, duped police and secretly lobbied governments, leak reveals

    Some examples:

    • The cache of more than 124,000 internal Uber files lays bare the ethically questionable practices through which the company barged its way into new markets, often where existing laws or regulations made its operations illegal, before lobbying aggressively for those same laws or regulations to be altered to accommodate it. Read here
    • Senior executives at Uber ordered the use of a “kill switch” to prevent police and regulators from accessing sensitive data during raids on its offices in at least six countries. Read here
    • Two of Barack Obama’s most senior presidential campaign advisers, David Plouffe and Jim Messina, discussed helping Uber get to access leaders, officials and diplomats. Read here
    • At least six UK government ministers, including the then chancellor, George Osborne, and the future health secretary Matt Hancock, did not declare secret meetings at which they were lobbied by Uber. Read here
    • The inside story of how Uber used its connections to the Conservative party to lobby Boris Johnson in a rearguard effort to stop Transport for London introducing new regulations. Read here
    • One of Uber’s top executives quit amid questions for the company about whether its European operations were structured in a way that avoided tax. Read here
    • Uber secretly hired a political operative linked to Russian oligarchs allegedly aligned with Vladimir Putin in an attempt to secure its place in the Russian market, despite internal bribery concerns. Read here

    [...]

    As Bonus some older articles about their overall ethics and practices:

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Being stuck in "traffic" surrounded by empty cars would make me want to walk into the ocean.

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