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Is SteamOS a future default for handhelds? (e3f49eaa46b57.cdn.sohucs.com)

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Given many new handhelds coming on the scene and general disinterest of Microsoft to support the market, do you think SteamOS will take place of default OS the same way Android did on phones some time ago?

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[–] Ninmi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

For the future of PC gaming I sure as hell hope so. People stick to and defend Windows as their go-to 'till the bitter end, likely not realizing Linux could be everything their Windows machine is and there is a real industry player with a lot of money making this reality right now. If we just let it.

If we would just give Linux the critical mass, we could free the last locked aspect of PC gaming, the OS itself. That way we would no longer be at the whims of Microsoft's decisions because let's face it, even Windows users hate the shit they do.

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[–] verysoft@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Linux, currently, cannot handle everything Windows can unfortunately. Windows also has a massive software support advantage. Valve are in the best place to try and give Linux to the masses, but that's a lot of work and it won't have much return for them. Windows getting worse is the way Linux will get more market share, but most people are not power users and will probably just use Windows anyway as it 'just works'.

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[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 1 point 3 years ago

The reason Valve is so heavily investing in Linux is that they know that Microsoft could - in theory - flip a switch and kill their business, especially because Microsoft themselves is a competitor to Valve in the form of Xbox and Gamepass.

It's a defensive tactic, not a money-making venture.

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Windows, currently, cannot handle everything Linux can. Linux also has a massive software support advantage, running on vastly more hardware and architectures than Windows does.

Linux has already been given to the masses. People use it every day in super user friendly ways; they just don't realize they're using Linux.

The only reason people use Windows is because they don't choose it. Imagine if every PC sold had a Linux option and a Windows option that cost an extra $100. What do you think people would buy?

The same hardware running Linux will easily outperform Windows (especially at the most common end user tasks like web browsing) by a long shot. In a few days NTFS turns 30 years old FFS (LOL).

Any given hardware accessory will "just work" when plugged in to a Linux PC but Windows will require a special driver that you have to go out and find on your own at the vendor's website that will be bloated AF. It'll also reinstall it if you change the USB port LOL.

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[–] verysoft@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

I get it you like Linux, so do I. And I just have yet to have a smooth experience with it as a desktop and for games. We talking about the average gaming market here, nothing more, Linux is obviously very powerful and is the most used OS outside of desktops.

Most users have Nvidia cards that still do not play nicely with a lot of Linux setups, although that seems to be coming around now. Linux is a very customisable platform and it can be a lot better than Windows if you spend the time tweaking every aspect of it, but you are kidding yourself if you think Linux is better OOTB than Windows for most users. It's fine for us to stick our heads into wikis and play around in the terminal, but most people don't want to bother with all that.

I hope Linux does get more adoption so that support is further improved and I hope it reaches that tipping point where most people can pick up for their everyday machines.

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[–] PastaRhythm@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

SteamOS's UI is incredible. It's not always easy for a UI to be feature rich while also being intuitive and easy to use, but Valve did a wonderful job. I love pulling up the Quick Menu to check the battery and time or tweak a setting without needing to pause the game or go back to the Home Menu.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 1 point 3 years ago

I'd love to see the return of Steam Machines. I loved the concept back in 2014 but Linux gaming absolutely wasn't ready back then. A first party Valve Steam Machine could be a great entry point for many potential new PC gamers.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

SteamOS has been out on Steam Deck for 18 months, but still no general release in sight. I wouldn't hold my breath. I think we'll just have to continue to make do with the likes of ChimeraOS/Nobara.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

True. There is an unofficial release - HoloIso - which uses Valves packages but is not quite complete. Also manufacturers may be able to get access as Valve previously has been keen on getting other manufacturers to buy into it's hardware attempts (e.g. Steam PCs previously, and VR now) but I'd expect the manufacturers to be making a big deal of it if they were launching a SteamOS handheld. It seems Valve want to keep exclusivity on Steam Deck for now (which makes some sense given how successful it's been)

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

(which makes some sense given how successful it's been)

It really doesn't make sense, considering how small the hardware profit margins probably are, if any.

What would make sense is making the Steam-first OS open to be installed on any device.

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[–] Lowbird@beehaw.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

It doesn't matter if there's no hardware profit margin if the end result is, as it seems to be, more people buying more games from steam. That's no different than most console manufacturers anyways - so far as I know, none of them are in it to make profit off the hardware itself, just the exclusivity.

Granted, Steam Deck still let's you run non-steam games and connect other launchers, but even so most people will buy from steam for it regardless.

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago

the end result is, as it seems to be, more people buying more games from steam.

This is the end result of releasing their software, not selling more hardware.

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[–] Shiroa@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Is there some specific feature that SteamOS brings to the table that people are looking for? So far as I know, a stripped down installation Debian or Ubuntu (Valve likes to base their packages off of Ubuntu) with an Xserver script that directly launches steam in big picture mode ought to create roundabout the same experience I would think.

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[–] HyperHyperVisor@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

SteamOS 2.x was based on debian, but that hasn't been updated in years. The Steam Deck launched with SteamOS 3, which is actually built on top of arch and is much more akin to Manjaro. As for your question, it's mostly the "game mode", which uses IIRC Wayland and wraps games inside gamescope which provides a bit more control in the form of controlling frame rate, resolution, etc externally, but regardless, that can and has been achieved in custom distros. I think the main appeal of SteamOS honestly is the package of an immutable OS optimized for running games on steam. It prevents non-linux users from breaking things and tries to make it feel more like a "console" with a "desktop mode" (KDE Plasma) and "app store" (ala flatpaks). I've toyed with the idea of running it or similar on my gaming PC but always run into the difficulty of Nvidia drivers on Linux.

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[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

Fuck I hope so

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

Steam OS is awesome. I consider myself a tech savvy person, yet I never felt the need to tinker with my Steam Deck to run retro games or emulate stuff since I have it (1+ year)

The library of games running natively or with minimal controller changes is so big I will probably not run out of games and Im playing more than ever.

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[–] garrett@beehaw.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Note: You can actually play Halo on a Steam Deck. I've played it with friends over the internet and two of us were on a Steak Deck and Linux desktop. The other two were on Windows. It worked well.

(But, yeah, there still are a few other games that don't have anti-cheat enabled, such as Fortnite and Destiny 2.)

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Most of the SteamOS features are also available on Windows by launching Steam in big picture mode.

No they aren't. They're vertically integrated. I don't think you understand what the SteamOS features actually are. It's more than just a GUI.

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[–] Grass@geddit.social 1 point 3 years ago

It would be a good thing. Gaming on windows has been a shit experience since everything after windows 7. I don't want to have to manually(or scriptedly) remove candy crush installer icons among other bloat shit every time I install the os just for a basic clean experience that still spies in me.