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Enshittification only hurts product itself. (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 207 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This implies Windows isn’t already enshittified, which is very much not the case.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Start menu ruined. All the UI is garbage. Fucking OneDrive.

I'm over it. Shopping distros as we speak.

Edit - Making this edit from a fresh Linux Mint install. Cheers.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t even use Windows, and just reading about what’s happened to the Start menu pisses me off.

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[–] clevadio@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago

Maybe that's where the loop starts.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 151 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

everyone say goodbye to the wonderful decadess of lean, efficient, bloat-free Windows we have known and loved up until Windows 11!

it's been smooth sailing until windows 11!

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[–] majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com 66 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Windows 7 was the last good Windows. It was a nice polished OS that had the last decent search feature. 8 was a mess (it started without a start button) and then all the bloat/ads that came with 10 and above

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Windows XP was the last good Windows. It had zero bloat, and heck, it encouraged you to use an admin account as your daily account. It didn't have those pesky UAC notifications, and it would allow you to install each individual Windows KB Update. It didn't have that high RAM usage that the Aero design had. There was no built in firewall until a later service pack, but you could just opt out of that update.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Windows XP was the last good Windows.

I think you're really only remembering XP after SP3. XP in its original form was clunky, buggy and unreliable.

It had zero bloat

Wait are you trying to be funny?

it encouraged you to use an admin account as your daily account.

This is bad. You should not do this, especially not on anything connected to the internet. You should definitely not do this on an XP system connected to the internet.

There was no built in firewall until a later service pack, but you could just opt out of that update.

I've eaten the onion, haven't I?

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[–] Nyciferi@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 2 years ago (16 children)

We said goodbye to that since Windows 8. Windows has been shit since Windows 8.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

How young are you?

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Younger than Vista, that's for sure.

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[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Or Windows ME. Ugh.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

ME had that thing where you didn't need to constantly fuss with autoexec.bat and config.sys to use different software. That was an insane amount of added value...

But the rest of the system was so bad that nobody liked the tradeoff. Even today I'm in awe about how MS could make this tradeoff negative. It takes a serious amount of dedication.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Vista doesn't deserve the hate it gets. There was very little difference between it and 7 which everyone loves.

Vista was a giant upgrade from XP, it was like going from GemOS to win95

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 82 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Windows has been shit waaaaaaaaay longer than any of those. MS always "fixes" it afterwards just enough to become usable

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be fair, Windows has huge, maybe even unreasonable, demands placed on it for backward compatibility due to corps not wanting to dump their 30 year old legacy software. And to Microsoft's credit, they actually manage to do that pretty well while maintaining a reasonably stable OS. Most of the time, anyway.

The increasing interest in using Windows as a conduit for ads and data collection is what they really chafes me and is the primary reason I'm slowly moving away from Windows.

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[–] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 69 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Winbloats was arguably the first one of this list to get enshitiffied. I remember being a 12 yo trying to find an alternative to winbugs because the microsoft account login was required. It's got worse since then

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yeah its the original example of enshittification for sure

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I've been here since Windows 3.0. I'm not sure when this mythical not-shit Windows was. There were a few I could live with, but none that were good.

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[–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

But Windows is unique in that it can fit a whole lot of shit in it. Way more than one could imagine.

Minecraft, Chrome etc are a 7 litre compost caddy of shit. Windows is a vast open country waiting to be turned into landfill of human waste.

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[–] Technofrood@feddit.uk 42 points 2 years ago (15 children)

When did Minecraft get Enshittified?

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Bedrock is pretty full of microtransactions, upsells, and ads, and the Mojang to Microsoft account migration for Java made a lot of people lose their accounts entirely.

But the core gameplay of both editions is still fine, and Java is consistently getting more mod-friendly with each release. You also don't actually have to buy anything in Bedrock; it's mostly just annoying.

I don't really agree that Minecraft is getting enshittified, but I can see why others might.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

And the whole chat censoring thing, and Microsoft doubling down on banning players on all servers for chat content in their own private servers.

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

bedrock was shit version from start, any respectable Minecraft player uses Java version.

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Windows was enshittified decades before it was even a concept. Grandaddy of enshittification.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago

when bedrock edition was introduced, I’d say

the marketplace, character creator and partnered servers all have very predatory monetization

thankfully java resisted enshittification for the most part

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh enshittification is coming for Windows. In the future. Like it hasn't happened yet or wasn't the first and worst of these companies for it to come for. But something that hasn't happened yet, not in the past. Interesting.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

NEFTLIX

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

I'm going to pretend using an enshitified version of this meme template was an intentional choice

[–] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago

You missed YouTube

[–] Nyciferi@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I would put Firefox on the very last door. Firefox has been a gradual process.

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[–] whithom@discuss.online 15 points 2 years ago

Windows on the first door.

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[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Netflix happened before Reddit. Also, one could add Facebook and Amazon

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Wait, what happened to Minecraft? You're just talking about the Bedrock edition, right?

...right?

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I think it's bedrock edition and the many cash grab spinoffs. Afaik og Minecraft is only better than it ever was.

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Yeah that's my experience so far. The only thing Microsoft has managed to ruin so far when it comes to Java edition is the launcher. Luckily there are many great FOSS launchers out there (Prism is my favorite). Everything else is working just fine, and the gameplay updates from the last couple of years have been good.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I just bought a brand new thumb drive so I can install Linux.

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[–] user1234@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Windows was the enshittification of DOS.

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[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For those wondering about what specifically happened with each:

Minecraft - microtransactions on Bedrock edition

Reddit - API changes killing 3rd party apps and streamlining ad delivery

Netflix - Pricing and library changes making it less and less of a good deal

Chrome - Manifest V3 killing uBlock Origin and similar content blockers

Windows - Increasing numbers of ads baked into the system, poorly-made features like Recall, and lack of hardware compatibility with the TPM 2.0 requirement

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Lol, this is hilarious. Thanks, Lemmy. It makes me feel better to know I'm not this far echo chambered. Good luck.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago

I had the same reaction. Enshittification came for Windows more than a decade ago, WTH are they thinking with this meme?

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Buddy this meme is put in reverse.

Netflix THEN Chrome THEN Windows???

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[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago*

What? Windows has sucked for like 20 years. Google turned to shit when they got rid of “don’t be evil”

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

This would be true if it wasn't for the blood trails. All these companies are thriving despite the enshitification; perhaps they're thriving because of it.

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