I feel like I wrote this post from time to time on Reddit and I think I'll start this tradition here. I'm. a Honor Harrington fan. I've read several other space operas and they always fall short. The three that came close were Lt. Leary, Kris Longknife and Vorkosigan saga. Lt. Leary was nice, but it failed on World building. Kris Longknife also failed on world building and had astronomical levels of cringe with aliens and plot, but I enjoyed it. Vorkosigan saga had better world building and it was nice overall, but the books without Miles Vorkosigan weren't enjoyable. There were other series that I enjoyed: Serrano Legacy, Vatta's War (those are some of my favorites but they were too short), Starship's mage (it declines with every new book), The Lost Fleet (it has a serious plot problem, the plot doesn't move forward), Old Man's War (it was really nice), Dread Empire Fall (also awesome), Teixcalaan (good, but short), Alarm of War (good, but short and pretty generic), Bobbiverse (I read until book 3, it isn't for me), Red Rising 1st trilogy (really nice, but too Hunger Gamish, this whole dividing society into a cast system is getting old), Ark Royal. The Three Body Problem was awesome and, contrary to most series, didn't leave me craving more after it was over. Edit: forgot to mention The Expanse, it was OK.

I think that what won me over on HH was the fact that she is a complete Mary Sue and other character don't fall far from the tree, there is a nice world building, characters die, and there is a ton of action.

On the other hand, there are some long books that I enjoy that aren't space operas. I really enjoy the Dresden Files (because he is cool and it is a long series), I absolutely love Jack Reacher (it is just a nice fun read, it's like a nice Big Mac), I also enjoy The Spellmonger series, and I enjoyed the Riyria. I disliked Takeshi Kovacs (lack of sequence and plot) and I absolutely hate Southern Reach (VanderMeer), and there is another popular sci-fi book that is written as a report, which I also hated. I don't like those very innovative mystery stories where you are trying to figure out wtf is going on or waiting for a plot to start until the middle of the book.

Got any suggestions? =)

(OMG, after writing this post, I see myself as an incredible hard reader to please)

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[–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

No love for Iain M Banks? The Culture series looks like it will tick all your boxes and instead of following a single protagonist the Culture itself is the protagonist so each book has it's own cast of interesting characters.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    What? No love for the Pern books by Anne McCaffrey? I love em. Gotta love genetically engineered dragons.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Alastair Reynolds - Revelation space i.e. Inhibitor sequence

    Peter F Hamilton - Void trilogy in the Commonwealth universe

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I absolutely love Hamilton's Commonwealth universe! Pandora's Star then Judas Unchained, then the void trilogy followed up by The Abyss Beyond Dreams. I've read all of them 3 times and thinking of doing a 4th round soon!

    I've also seen House of Suns mentioned here a few times. It gets my vote for the exploration of deep time due to the speed limits of causality.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I don't know what it is, but I struggle with both series that take place in the Commonwealth. Pandora's Star took quite a bit for me to get into, hooked me right as the book ended, but I enjoyed Judas Unchained after that.

    I just finished Dreaming Void (Void #1), and it flowed the same as Pandora's Star to me, but I've grown a little over that kind of lead-up and then just end the book. On top of that, the world shifted too much, and it's hard for me to feel like I understand it in the slightest. I've been hesitant to continue it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. I liked the prequel, A Deepness in the Sky even more.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Pandora’s Star and the sequel Judas Unchained by Peter F Hamilton

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    The Three Body problem is a an absolutely phenomenal take on the Dark Forest Theory.

    It has the unfortunate quality of reading like a news article at times, recounting events, rather than feeling like an illustrated narrative. And some plot points hinge on the authors pre-conceived notions about gender that really didn't sit well with me.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    This is kind of cheese ball, but have you tried Steve Perry's Matador series? The books aren't very long, but there's quite a few of them. Lots of fun characters and villains and such and it's a light, fun read.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Two obvious suggestions are Frank Herbert’s “Dune” series, and Issac Asimov’s “Foundation” series.

    Both are sci-fi classics (Dune is still the best selling sci-fi book of all time I believe) and are space operas of a massive scope.

    They are also some of my personal favorites.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I also immensely enjoyed Asimov's "Robot" books. Three fun little whodunnit's set in an interesting universe.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    About four years ago, on a whim I decided to buy the entire Asimov scifi collection (inc short stories which I'm usually not keen on). Really surprised me how prescient and creative he was, considering how long ago it was written.

    He has a really 'comfy' writing style, only way I can explain it... trying to read some hard scifi afterwards was a bit of a slog. Like a reading version of wading through treacle.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    And he's funny, too!

    You always hear about how forward thinking and philosophical his stories were, never how human and alive his characters are, or how he regularly gets a smile out of the reader.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    John Scalzi's Old Man's War series was a long and pretty interesting read.

    Premise starts out as a "humanity vs the stars" kind of story, but instead of sending young people to their deaths, the futuristic human society instead recruits old people who have already lived full lives. You can enlist towards the end of your natural life to transfer your mind to a (photo)synthetic purpose-built humanoid super soldier body. If you survive a period of time (5 years?), you earn another shot at life and can elect to become a colonist for far away worlds. Most don't get that far. Your usual "long-term relationship tensions," "humans are always bad guys," "what will technology think of next?" tropes apply.

    Another series I liked is the Castle Federation series by Glynn Stewart.

    This series spans a much shorter timeframe throughout its books but contains much more civil-war type political intrigue and seems to focus more on an important battle or two per book. As such, you get a more granular view of one starship officers experiences from the unit level up to the fleet. Tactics, deception, and an almost constant state of Pyrrhic victories help to make you feel like you aren’t simply following around a grand hero figure who is the unspoken savior of the galaxy. I don’t really remember how the series starts, but it’s mostly (or all) human-vs-human conflicts.

    Last series I enjoyed is the Frontlines storyline by Marko Kloos.

    In contrast to the stories above, it’s humans (mostly) good, aliens bad. A dystopian future is rocked by the sudden appearance of monolithic and seemingly invincible stegosaurus-like alien beings. They show up, terraform your world with CO2, and brush off humanity like we’re ants. You follow a few main characters who give you insight to how the big governments operate, how soldiers are thrown into unwinnable conflicts, and how freedom fighters back home protest against the majority of humanity’s production efforts going towards war while ignoring the problems at home. There’s a good mix of hopeless alien combat, human conflict and frustration towards the military industrial complex, Judge Dredd-like slums, and some anthropology thrown into the mix. Facing an existential threat, would you throw everything at offense and let your people starve?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Children Of Time Trilogy.

    Amazing books that explore topics like Consciousness and Intelligence from angles you wouldn't expect

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Thankyou DoisBigo, I didn't know other people liked Kris Longknife and Honor Harrington. I pickup random space operas from charity stores -- which if their shelves are any metric then it seems my entire country wants to read nothing but stories about ordinary people on earth; good stuff is few and far between.

    Hal Spacejock is good. I found the second book first, it was a hoot (opening: robot on the spaceship panics after making a mistake, wipes its own memory so nothing can be proven, the ship then starts failing and the robot assumes the captain must be at fault for poor maintenance). Some surreal space-opera travel scenes across planets towards the end mixed in with lots of humour.

    "Revelation Space" by Alastair Reynolds was definitely interesting. At times a bit stretched out, but it had some cool concepts in it (like safely arresting your fall down an elevator shaft by reversing the thrust of an entire spaceship). Scale was insane (crazy time & space) but then it all focuses on a few smaller points, which felt a bit too distilled for what felt like a big universe moments before. Characters were 50/50 and I didn't enjoy some of their arcs, but the others were good.

    A few months back I finished "Crystal Healer" (the dodgiest book title ever if you didn't know it was a space opera) by S.L. Viehl. I remember almost nothing from it, except a hot cat-woman that was enslaved to the main character. No mental staying power whatsoever, but I think I enjoyed reading it.

    I recently found a book on my shelf "War Games" by Brian Stableford. I thought I hadn't read this. I opened the first page and found:

    2013-02-25 I want to crush this novel. Why? ... because the author did not write a sequel.

    No idea what it's about :D

    Thankyou everyone in this topic for suggestions. If you want any of the books I mention then just poke me, it's better I send them to someone else rather than let them sit on my shelf forever. I'm in Australia.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Peter F Hamilton

    • Greg Mandel trilogy
    • Confederation universe
    • Void Trilogy
    • The Chronicle of the Fallers

    And more that I haven't read now I look him up

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I've actually really been enjoying the Warhammer 40k books, started with the Ultramarines omnibus, fun sci Fi fantasy

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I also really like the Honor Harrington series. I’m also a big fan of the Liaden universe created by Lee and Miller.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Have you read revelation space? I also recommend house of suns from the same author. They fit your criteria

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    The Nanotech Succession by Linda Nagata is pretty awesome if less well-known.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    The Saga of Seven Suns by Kevin J. Anderson. It's a huge favorite across our family.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Have you read Hannu Rajaniemis Jean le Flambeur series?

    It's a very high concept narrative, that begins with our main character being broken out of a simulated prison, where he is forced to play endless games of the prisoners dilemma, against endless copies of himself and other prisoners.

    It continues on to tell a story set within our solar system, that's complex on levels that can be hard to keep up with at times.

    In this universe, where people end and software begins, is blurred, and the same is true for the edge between reality and simulation.

    Some people are doomed to exist and be used as mere software for completing complex tasks, while others step through matter-conversion gates between the real and simulated on a regular basis.

    I really, really loved it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Spinward Fringe series is good and decently long

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    How about the Uplift series by David Brin? Start with Sundiver

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I really like Neal Asher's books. Sprawling long series (what is the plural of series?) and so good.

    Was recommended the Children of Time books, am halfway through the first and WOW. I love it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Revelation Space.

    Niven's Ringworld series

    Foundation?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Ooh, another operatic that comes to mind: 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    MOAR: Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee

    Not too long ago I did a deep dive for non white male authors (as much as I love Asimov and Iain Banks) and it was really rewarding. Ann leckie, Kameron Hurley, Becky Chambers, Nnedi Okorafor, Lindsay Buroker, to name some, are all good for a spaceship. Strongly suggest NK Jemesin's Broken Earth, which isn't spaceships, but still great. It's been a bit, but I remember enjoying Samuel Delaney's Nova, as well.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 years ago

    I didn't see The Culture series in there by Iain M Banks. There are some thicc boi books in there any the overall quality of storytelling is very high. I do find them a little slow to get going though, but once they do, it's usually a good ride

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  • [+] -18 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Off the top of my head, here’s a few:

    • The Commonwealth Saga, by Peter F Hamilton

    • Hyperion Cantos

    • The Spiral Wars

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

    +1 for Commonwealth. Space trains.

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