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So, Neuralink got FDA approval for human trials, and a certain fanbase is VERY excited about that (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 56 points 3 years ago (6 children)

I'm sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I'm mostly concerned about are:

  • Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can't pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
  • Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - "new features" implemented ("With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise."
  • What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?
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  • [–] 50 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child's basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Oh god, new horrors just dropped

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Positive thought: maybe thats the first step to become a godlike computer brain species

    Negative thought: if that is how it works I doubt it is just kids that it would do that to. If that happens I would guess it could happen to anyone who has one "installed" long enough

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    I think you lose a lot of neuroplasticity once you become an adult though, which you would need to reroute the neural pathways. Although I guess that there have been cases of adults who lost half their brain matter in accidents and were able to develop normal cognitive functions again. Actually, even babies must already have the visual cortex all connected up if they can see so maybe some things just develop too soon.

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  • [+] 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I accidentally uninstalled the visual cortex drivers and now I can't use my eyes to reinstall, any help is appreciated

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Far be it from me to suggest that tech bros won't ruin a good thing, I really don't think these will have a subscription model because they probably won't have any kind of internet connectivity. They'll be like pacemakers, purpose built for a specific function (prevent tremors, reverse paralysis, etc) and designed to only do that function for as long as possible.

    I'm sure there will be upgradable firmware at some point in the future but having your brain be connected to any kind of cloud service is the worst idea I've ever heard of.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    I'm sure there will be upgradable firmware at some point in the future but having your brain be connected to any kind of cloud service is the worst idea I've ever heard of.

    With Musk at the helm, I wouldn't be surprised if the worst ideas are the ones he wants the most.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Of course many comments in this threas are exaggerated; there won't be played any ads into your brain.

    But there are some implications for the usage of Neuralink that are worth thinking about it - especially when it comes to privacy:

    Given that it "just" runs with firmware, so that the implant can function in a way most stable and reliably, and also given that there will be no subscription model involved into all of that, will the user (patient) be able to control the functionality of the implant (e.g. controlling the intensity of the eletric signal sent out from the implant to counteract the intensity of a tremor)?

    And how will that happen? One thing I could think of is to control the implant with a smartphone app. How good will that smartphone app be? Will it be programmed sloppily like these apps we know from Internet-Of-Things-Apps and have a ton of bugs? Are those (medicinal!) apps secure in terms of privacy? What is with the product support? Will the implant be discontinued after a few years (and also the app)? What if your smartphone fails (no power or hardware failure, or after an update it doesn't work)?

    A friend of mine has an app to monitor her blood sugar. She is not qute satified with the app. Luckily the provider of those diabetes sensors provided a separate device, so that the app is just an addition for measuring when you are travelling, for example. But in their last iteration they tried to omit the separate device, probably in order to save costs. My friend had to explicitly ask for it.

    With that in mind I'm not keen on having control on such medicinal devices with a smartphone only. If the smartphone fails, there would be no backup. Will such similar things be the case regarding Neuralink?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I have a (peripheral) nerve stimulator implanted.

    Insurance paid for the trial implant, then the permanent one. They also paid for a couple of meetings with a rep from the mfgr who showed me how to use it best.

    I have the device, the control, and a transdermal charger. No subscriptions, no remote access, I don't think it keeps logging data.

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