▲ 48 ▼ this seems to be the theme of the season mateys (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 comments fedilink hide all child comments wow just wow while i can't say i didn't see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone
[–] Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Not the main point, but this is the first time I've seen "allowlisted". Lol ...are they trying to avoid saying whitelisted because of the word "white"? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] OneDimensionPrinter@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, at my company we switched to allow/block listed last year. Whitelisted and blacklisted are verboten permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] static@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago The best reasoning I saw for this change was for clarity for non native English speakers. If you're learning the language "allowlist" is definitely more clear in meaning than "whitelist" permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) A lot of companies seem to be doing this, personally I think trying to make a connection between race and tech is a bit far fetched. Nobody thinks of race when talking about whitelists and blacklists... In public repos where these changes are merged in to FOSS projects, they get little resistance too - although I could see concern of a potential backlash if anyone questioned the alleged benefit of such a change. Imagine if this approach was taken with the (now outdated) IDE interface? Instead of "Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary Slave", there'd maybe be "Primary Primary, Primary Secondary, Secondary Primary, Secondary Secondary" 😵 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 1 point 3 years ago kill all children permalink fedilink source parent [–] mcmxci@mimiclem.me 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Hasn't Kubernetes already replaced master-slave with master/manager-worker? Seems like there are plenty of alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Manager-worker seems classist and problematic /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Andreas@feddit.dk 1 point 3 years ago Yes, it started from this terminology change at Twitter in 2020. They're the reason that version control systems call the primary branch 'main' instead of 'master' by default, because 'master' comes from the master/slave terminology that is used in electronics hardware design. There's a comment here saying that master/slave in hardware design is being replaced by primary/secondary because of the software trend, which I think is stupid. Master/slave works much better in that context because the master device controls the slave device. Primary/secondary implies that the slave device is a fallback of the master device. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clehaxze@reddthat.com 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just like "master" in git. WTH is wrong with it. I feed "master" as "the master of kung-fu" is much better then "main". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) I do think dropping master is absurd, since it in no way implies slavery or any such thing. master mostly has uses that are entirely inoffensive, unless post-graduate degrees are racist, for example. But I do think there is some merit in moving off the idea of white is good and black is bad. There are some good arguments that we shouldn't bestow magic powers upon words, but there is also a lot of merit in the idea that these words affect our perception in negative ways and there is really nothing lost by shifting to equally good alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The idea of "black list" has nothing to do with black people, to my understending permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not the issue. The issue is inherently seeing white as meaning good and black as meaning bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OneDimensionPrinter@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, at my company we switched to allow/block listed last year. Whitelisted and blacklisted are verboten permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] static@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago The best reasoning I saw for this change was for clarity for non native English speakers. If you're learning the language "allowlist" is definitely more clear in meaning than "whitelist" permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) A lot of companies seem to be doing this, personally I think trying to make a connection between race and tech is a bit far fetched. Nobody thinks of race when talking about whitelists and blacklists... In public repos where these changes are merged in to FOSS projects, they get little resistance too - although I could see concern of a potential backlash if anyone questioned the alleged benefit of such a change. Imagine if this approach was taken with the (now outdated) IDE interface? Instead of "Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary Slave", there'd maybe be "Primary Primary, Primary Secondary, Secondary Primary, Secondary Secondary" 😵 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 1 point 3 years ago kill all children permalink fedilink source parent [–] mcmxci@mimiclem.me 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Hasn't Kubernetes already replaced master-slave with master/manager-worker? Seems like there are plenty of alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Manager-worker seems classist and problematic /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] static@midwest.social 3 points 3 years ago The best reasoning I saw for this change was for clarity for non native English speakers. If you're learning the language "allowlist" is definitely more clear in meaning than "whitelist" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) A lot of companies seem to be doing this, personally I think trying to make a connection between race and tech is a bit far fetched. Nobody thinks of race when talking about whitelists and blacklists... In public repos where these changes are merged in to FOSS projects, they get little resistance too - although I could see concern of a potential backlash if anyone questioned the alleged benefit of such a change. Imagine if this approach was taken with the (now outdated) IDE interface? Instead of "Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary Slave", there'd maybe be "Primary Primary, Primary Secondary, Secondary Primary, Secondary Secondary" 😵 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 1 point 3 years ago kill all children permalink fedilink source parent [–] mcmxci@mimiclem.me 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Hasn't Kubernetes already replaced master-slave with master/manager-worker? Seems like there are plenty of alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Manager-worker seems classist and problematic /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 1 point 3 years ago kill all children permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mcmxci@mimiclem.me 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Hasn't Kubernetes already replaced master-slave with master/manager-worker? Seems like there are plenty of alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Manager-worker seems classist and problematic /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Manager-worker seems classist and problematic /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Andreas@feddit.dk 1 point 3 years ago Yes, it started from this terminology change at Twitter in 2020. They're the reason that version control systems call the primary branch 'main' instead of 'master' by default, because 'master' comes from the master/slave terminology that is used in electronics hardware design. There's a comment here saying that master/slave in hardware design is being replaced by primary/secondary because of the software trend, which I think is stupid. Master/slave works much better in that context because the master device controls the slave device. Primary/secondary implies that the slave device is a fallback of the master device. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clehaxze@reddthat.com 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just like "master" in git. WTH is wrong with it. I feed "master" as "the master of kung-fu" is much better then "main". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) I do think dropping master is absurd, since it in no way implies slavery or any such thing. master mostly has uses that are entirely inoffensive, unless post-graduate degrees are racist, for example. But I do think there is some merit in moving off the idea of white is good and black is bad. There are some good arguments that we shouldn't bestow magic powers upon words, but there is also a lot of merit in the idea that these words affect our perception in negative ways and there is really nothing lost by shifting to equally good alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The idea of "black list" has nothing to do with black people, to my understending permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not the issue. The issue is inherently seeing white as meaning good and black as meaning bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) I do think dropping master is absurd, since it in no way implies slavery or any such thing. master mostly has uses that are entirely inoffensive, unless post-graduate degrees are racist, for example. But I do think there is some merit in moving off the idea of white is good and black is bad. There are some good arguments that we shouldn't bestow magic powers upon words, but there is also a lot of merit in the idea that these words affect our perception in negative ways and there is really nothing lost by shifting to equally good alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The idea of "black list" has nothing to do with black people, to my understending permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not the issue. The issue is inherently seeing white as meaning good and black as meaning bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kir@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The idea of "black list" has nothing to do with black people, to my understending permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not the issue. The issue is inherently seeing white as meaning good and black as meaning bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not the issue. The issue is inherently seeing white as meaning good and black as meaning bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 3 years ago This has absolutely nothing to do with racial features. permalink fedilink source parent