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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

For sure. Thinking of this war as a giant test ground for defense industry ghouls to experiment on is horrifying

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The US has had its weapons used in conflicts for years. Yes, they do what they're supposed to do. Not much to learn, really.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then why do you think they're gathering intel? Surely the situation is very different in Ukraine. A weapon system is context dependent, it doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Intel is a tool which the US has high capability and it takes many forms. I am sure we share this intel with the Ukrainians

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Who is this we? And why are you so sure? I'm not saying you are some guy working for the government I'm just saying you are making shit up and read too much of OSINT twitter so you feel 'in the know'. You don't know what intel is being gathered, if that intel even gets out or not. Like why should the US feel compelled to share with Ukraine? Because they are on the same side? From the few statements they seem more interested in using the war to pay off the MIC similar to Afghanistan and it doesn't seem like any intel was gained over a 20 year period.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    I am sure because it is publicly reported that we (the US) does share intelligence with Ukraine. Hope that helps

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    "we (the US)"

    Imagine identifying with the US imperialist world order. They aren't going to let you wear the boot, no matter how hard you lick

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Is there anything more imperialist than invading another country?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Lol that's not how this works. Saying "We share intelligence" is worlds apart from what you want to imply here, again stop being some weird wannabe OSINT guy, at most Ukranians get satellite images which technically is 'sharing intelligence' but not what you are trying to imply here.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The US has tested its weapons against tribal guerillas, not a peer military.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Either way they work the same.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Judging by the number of western vehicles lost to mines in the last few weeks alone they do not perform the same fighting a peer military with access to large amounts of modern equipment vs ill equipped militias fighting an insurgency

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You expect those vehicles will not be damaged by mines huh.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, but they haven't faced massive minefields, helicopter gunships, artillery, electronic countermeasures, airstrikes, etc when occupying Iraq or Afghanistan. Fighting guerrillas and fighting a peer army are two entirely different beasts, and we see the proof in more western tanks being lost in 2 months than USA lost in 2 decades in Iraq or Afghanistan

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    A butter knife works the same when cutting butter or steel. It still isn't useful for cutting steel. This is what they're trying to communicate.

    A reaper drone works the same when blowing up random weddings or when flying in airspace with a networked AA system of S300s, S400s, and S500s

    Which is to say we know the underlying physics continues to operate the same but the context changes how useful the equipment is, because a butterknife is made for butter and a Reaper is made for blowing up weddings without an air defense network nearby.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    so, not at all, considering they even lost in Afghanistan

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    There you go. Time to give Ukraine some AC 130 gun ships. Good suggestion.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What, are there Russian hospitals in need of bombing? C130 can't operate if there is air defense

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    They had gunships in Afghanistan and US still lost, not sure I see your point here. Not to mention the Taliban didn't have close to the anti-aircraft capabilities that the Russian military has. AC-130s work fine for bombing defenseless hospitals, but against a force with radar, electronic countermeasures, anti-aircraft missiles, fighter jets, and all the other tools that a modern military has access to? I think the gunships would not be nearly as effective as you think

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Russia has the best air defense in the world. C-130 is a big slow moving target. Even in Afghanistan they operated only at night.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sure the best...right

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I assume you believe China has the best?

    Regardless C-130 gunships are a hilariously bad idea. This isn't Call of Duty son.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean ... calling Russia's military a "peer" is a stretch.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I do find these comments entertaining. It reinforces my belief that US hubris is leading to it's decline. Imagine believing your own lies when its literally your country's existence on the line.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    ... K

    We clearly have fundamental, serious issues -- but you'd have to be completely delusional if "actual millitary strength" is something you think the USA lacks and Russia is anyway comparable. They're in a stalemate with with a small country using 40 year old western equipment.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The US lost Afghanistan where their enemies had no airsupport and old equipmemt and weren't being supplied by the global hegemon. They also lost Vietnam which they fought a much smaller less well equipped country.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    So it seems you aren't aware about the $50 billion of military hardware, training, mercenaries, and aid that NATO have provided Ukraine since 2014. Are you being disingeneous for the sake of winning the argument or are you acting in good faith? I need to know whether I should continue to engage or if you're just trolling/playing dumb.

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