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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Either way they work the same.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Judging by the number of western vehicles lost to mines in the last few weeks alone they do not perform the same fighting a peer military with access to large amounts of modern equipment vs ill equipped militias fighting an insurgency

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You expect those vehicles will not be damaged by mines huh.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, but they haven't faced massive minefields, helicopter gunships, artillery, electronic countermeasures, airstrikes, etc when occupying Iraq or Afghanistan. Fighting guerrillas and fighting a peer army are two entirely different beasts, and we see the proof in more western tanks being lost in 2 months than USA lost in 2 decades in Iraq or Afghanistan

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    A butter knife works the same when cutting butter or steel. It still isn't useful for cutting steel. This is what they're trying to communicate.

    A reaper drone works the same when blowing up random weddings or when flying in airspace with a networked AA system of S300s, S400s, and S500s

    Which is to say we know the underlying physics continues to operate the same but the context changes how useful the equipment is, because a butterknife is made for butter and a Reaper is made for blowing up weddings without an air defense network nearby.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    so, not at all, considering they even lost in Afghanistan

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    There you go. Time to give Ukraine some AC 130 gun ships. Good suggestion.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What, are there Russian hospitals in need of bombing? C130 can't operate if there is air defense

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    They had gunships in Afghanistan and US still lost, not sure I see your point here. Not to mention the Taliban didn't have close to the anti-aircraft capabilities that the Russian military has. AC-130s work fine for bombing defenseless hospitals, but against a force with radar, electronic countermeasures, anti-aircraft missiles, fighter jets, and all the other tools that a modern military has access to? I think the gunships would not be nearly as effective as you think

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Russia has the best air defense in the world. C-130 is a big slow moving target. Even in Afghanistan they operated only at night.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sure the best...right

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I assume you believe China has the best?

    Regardless C-130 gunships are a hilariously bad idea. This isn't Call of Duty son.

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