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[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This doesn't qualify. Slavery is still in use in the world. You'd have to use a modifier like American slavery or the enslavement of x, y, z, people.

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[–] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

You're completely right. I did the American thing that Americans are wont to do. Apologies.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Correct. People are enslaved all over the world, but there's a faction that loves to call prison labor "slavery" or "chattel slavery". It reflects a lack of understanding of what slavery is and devalues the people who actually do get bought and sold, even today.

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[–] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yeah... Maybe think a bit on who it is that's actually doing the devaluing here.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Maybe explain your point in English instead of dropping whatever vague hint you think you're dropping.

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[+] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

So no explanation for the glib comment, just insults. Thought so. I have lots of hobbies, we're not friends, and I don't need the trolling - blocking you now bye.

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[–] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sorry bud, but you just can't fly in hot with a dickish reply to someone else's comment and expect them to extend you any grace. Especially when you're not even actually replying to the actual comment but your gross misreading of it.

Since apparently I'm blocked. For any body else who might stumble upon this one. Lovable's assertion that any comparison between chattle slavery and prison slavery somehow diminishes the suffering and plight of the former is a real head scratcher. Especially since the prison industrial complex in the United States was built to be an institutional replacement for the systems of oppression that were banned by the 13th amendment.

Edit: chattel for cattle, auto correct strikes again.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

You're talking about prison convicts right? Actually lookup "chattel slavery", it means someone owns the person. No matter how you spin the words to make yourself right, convicts don't have owners. What they do is involuntary servitude not slavery. Calling it slavery devalues the experience of people who were forcibly kidnapped, shipped across the ocean, and sold in markets. And no, the race disparity in prison populations doesn't make prison labor slavery, anymore than being green makes grass a frog.

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[–] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Now, now, just calm down there Charlie.

I said nothing about prison slavery. You're reading things into my post that are not there. The point I was trying to make is that the last the last living person who existed as property under what people think of as Slavery in the United States died in 1975. That's either not even or just barely two generations ago.

But the rest of your statement, yeah....idk. I'll just say that people are still being kidnapped, shipped and sold in this country. The mechanisms are different, the justifications are different. The underlying reasons? Not so much.