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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (7 children) Why don't you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (3 children) We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* Same in my state. I voted against the amendment that banned it but I actually didn’t fully realize it was about ranked choice voting until I checked results. I hate that shit. It makes me so angry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds about white. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know why you are getting down voted. It's who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Came here to say this as well, and OR is a reliably liberal state. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it's harder to whip us into a full revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post... permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* My state just banned ranked choice lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of us have been, and will continue to be, engaging in direct action in our day-to-day lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah keep it up because it's obviously going great 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn't my responsibility permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Better do it now, cause glorious leader Trump will mobilize the military to shut it down quick. We have Tiananmen Square Massacre at home. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago Remind me again what style of democracy the Weimar Republic had? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (3 children) We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* Same in my state. I voted against the amendment that banned it but I actually didn’t fully realize it was about ranked choice voting until I checked results. I hate that shit. It makes me so angry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds about white. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know why you are getting down voted. It's who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Came here to say this as well, and OR is a reliably liberal state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* Same in my state. I voted against the amendment that banned it but I actually didn’t fully realize it was about ranked choice voting until I checked results. I hate that shit. It makes me so angry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds about white. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know why you are getting down voted. It's who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know why you are getting down voted. It's who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Came here to say this as well, and OR is a reliably liberal state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it's harder to whip us into a full revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* My state just banned ranked choice lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of us have been, and will continue to be, engaging in direct action in our day-to-day lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah keep it up because it's obviously going great 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn't my responsibility permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of us have been, and will continue to be, engaging in direct action in our day-to-day lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah keep it up because it's obviously going great 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn't my responsibility permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah keep it up because it's obviously going great 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn't my responsibility permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn't my responsibility permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well if you want anything to get better you need to find common ground with those people and have a united front against facism. Even if you don't like or agree with them. The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn't left enough to represent their views. I'm not saying this is the correct approach or they did the right thing here. But the varying degrees of left constantly arguing with each other creates more and more room for far right fascists to trample us. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to organize with them to make any real change. It's that, or yell into the Lemmy void ineffectually at people who are closer aligned to you than the actual problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The reality is, some people struggled to vote for Kamala, not because she is just as bad (she is obviously not) or because they were paid bad actor agents of the far right, but simply because, despite being the better of two options, she just wasn’t left enough to represent their views. I hear this all the time on lemmy and reddit and other lefty bubble media despite seeing all of the time in reality that progressive candidates aren't very popular. Harris ran as a strong progressive in 2020 and she was amongst the first candidates to exit that race. Bernie lost in a head to head matchup with a complete centrist, and Biden had way more people vote for him in the general than Harris did. I voted for Bernie in 2020. People sat that primary out just like they sat out 2024 apparently. If there's all this massive support for progressive politicians in this country, I'd like to see some evidence of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Better do it now, cause glorious leader Trump will mobilize the military to shut it down quick. We have Tiananmen Square Massacre at home. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago Remind me again what style of democracy the Weimar Republic had? permalink fedilink source parent
