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[β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 87 points 2 years ago (6 children) Why does everything have to be so us-vs.-them? We all share the same planet. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [β] JayDee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is potentially gender construct and sexism getting directly in the way of advocacy against real issues. Women start a protest advocating against a very real issue they face, by women for women, and it is spun as a direct attack on men. Same thing happens for men's advocacy. "...For the Master's tool will never dismantle the master's house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change. And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the master's house as their only source of support..." - Audre Large, in "Master's Tools Will Never Take Down the Master's House" I don't think most would blame many women for the practices they do in public to stay safe, despite the behavior explicitly being sexist. This is because we understand that in absence of these kinds of behaviors, women do actually get prayed upon, most often by men. It's the reality of a dangerous world. however, we get angry when the statements and phrases used to justify these behaviors are said aloud. What we fail to acknowledge is that that same kind of victimization is possible to a guy. Most guys would find the idea of deliberately using the bathroom at the same time as their friend as weird, possibly even girly. Machismo stereotypes and trying to conform to manliness actively makes men more vulnerable . We also downplay women being violent, yet again a gender stereotype which not only lets women get physical in public, but actually also makes women easier to dismiss when they're angry and yelling. This not only lets women get away with toxic behavior, but robs them of being taken seriously at other times. These are both issues caused by gender, which is also actively defining how advocacy happens and creates an arbitrary divide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I liked this comment. You wrote with the nuance and balance that I strive for. Thanks for sharing permalink fedilink source parent [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Is outrage all that new? It strikes me as evergreen permalink fedilink source parent [β] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would like my own planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isnβt that what Mormons promise lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh niiice. Do they have any customer reviews? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes: stay away and do not join. Seek real progress and learning outside of avoidance, superstition, and bias. Sincerely, an adult on an ongoing journey to deconstruct different traumas from being raised in said high-demand cult. (Also, I can confirm the promise of a planet was canon, and infinitely more than just a single planet. But they recently decided to downplay that part of the doctrine, and some members now deny that there was ever a promise of achieving godhood. The cult always has a justification, and most members are more than satisfied with mental gymnastics.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But do they have DRM? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes and no. It was. permalink fedilink source parent [β] clark@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago Because humans like to make up categories which naturally cause inequality of some kind. I don't want this but it's the way it is and to pretend otherwise is ignorant and silly. permalink fedilink source parent [β] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes certain subsets of the planet have problems particular to their region, culture, or cohort. Telling a person wandering through the desert "I also get thirsty" maybe deflects from the issue at hand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling a person wandering through the desert "I also get thirsty" maybe deflects from the issue at hand. Or... That may be a show of support, in sharing of a common burden, a message of, "You are not alone in this struggle." Rather than always seeing it as a negative, maybe allow for the possibility that it's coming from a different place. Honestly, I feel like this whole sentiment of, "Don't attempt to bring any context into a conversation. Only stick strictly to what one person has decided to talk about." is not only counterproductive in that moment, but also in the medium and long term has a marked effect in shutting down future conversations about difficult and uncomfortable topics. I mean, how many times does a person get into a conversation that starts with, "Can we talk about X?" or "Let's have an open, honest discussion about Y?"...only to add something to that conversation and be told, "No, you're wrong for bringing that up. We're only talking about X and why it's the worst thing ever."... before they get to the point where the next time someone says, "Can we talk about Z?" they just say, "No, sorry. Not interested."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago Many of these problems while not strictly zero sum are pretty close to it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] JayDee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is potentially gender construct and sexism getting directly in the way of advocacy against real issues. Women start a protest advocating against a very real issue they face, by women for women, and it is spun as a direct attack on men. Same thing happens for men's advocacy. "...For the Master's tool will never dismantle the master's house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change. And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the master's house as their only source of support..." - Audre Large, in "Master's Tools Will Never Take Down the Master's House" I don't think most would blame many women for the practices they do in public to stay safe, despite the behavior explicitly being sexist. This is because we understand that in absence of these kinds of behaviors, women do actually get prayed upon, most often by men. It's the reality of a dangerous world. however, we get angry when the statements and phrases used to justify these behaviors are said aloud. What we fail to acknowledge is that that same kind of victimization is possible to a guy. Most guys would find the idea of deliberately using the bathroom at the same time as their friend as weird, possibly even girly. Machismo stereotypes and trying to conform to manliness actively makes men more vulnerable . We also downplay women being violent, yet again a gender stereotype which not only lets women get physical in public, but actually also makes women easier to dismiss when they're angry and yelling. This not only lets women get away with toxic behavior, but robs them of being taken seriously at other times. These are both issues caused by gender, which is also actively defining how advocacy happens and creates an arbitrary divide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I liked this comment. You wrote with the nuance and balance that I strive for. Thanks for sharing permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I liked this comment. You wrote with the nuance and balance that I strive for. Thanks for sharing permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Is outrage all that new? It strikes me as evergreen permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Is outrage all that new? It strikes me as evergreen permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would like my own planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isnβt that what Mormons promise lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh niiice. Do they have any customer reviews? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes: stay away and do not join. Seek real progress and learning outside of avoidance, superstition, and bias. Sincerely, an adult on an ongoing journey to deconstruct different traumas from being raised in said high-demand cult. (Also, I can confirm the promise of a planet was canon, and infinitely more than just a single planet. But they recently decided to downplay that part of the doctrine, and some members now deny that there was ever a promise of achieving godhood. The cult always has a justification, and most members are more than satisfied with mental gymnastics.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But do they have DRM? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes and no. It was. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isnβt that what Mormons promise lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh niiice. Do they have any customer reviews? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes: stay away and do not join. Seek real progress and learning outside of avoidance, superstition, and bias. Sincerely, an adult on an ongoing journey to deconstruct different traumas from being raised in said high-demand cult. (Also, I can confirm the promise of a planet was canon, and infinitely more than just a single planet. But they recently decided to downplay that part of the doctrine, and some members now deny that there was ever a promise of achieving godhood. The cult always has a justification, and most members are more than satisfied with mental gymnastics.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But do they have DRM? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes and no. It was. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh niiice. Do they have any customer reviews? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes: stay away and do not join. Seek real progress and learning outside of avoidance, superstition, and bias. Sincerely, an adult on an ongoing journey to deconstruct different traumas from being raised in said high-demand cult. (Also, I can confirm the promise of a planet was canon, and infinitely more than just a single planet. But they recently decided to downplay that part of the doctrine, and some members now deny that there was ever a promise of achieving godhood. The cult always has a justification, and most members are more than satisfied with mental gymnastics.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But do they have DRM? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ohbs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes: stay away and do not join. Seek real progress and learning outside of avoidance, superstition, and bias. Sincerely, an adult on an ongoing journey to deconstruct different traumas from being raised in said high-demand cult. (Also, I can confirm the promise of a planet was canon, and infinitely more than just a single planet. But they recently decided to downplay that part of the doctrine, and some members now deny that there was ever a promise of achieving godhood. The cult always has a justification, and most members are more than satisfied with mental gymnastics.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Mango@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But do they have DRM? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] clark@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago Because humans like to make up categories which naturally cause inequality of some kind. I don't want this but it's the way it is and to pretend otherwise is ignorant and silly. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes certain subsets of the planet have problems particular to their region, culture, or cohort. Telling a person wandering through the desert "I also get thirsty" maybe deflects from the issue at hand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling a person wandering through the desert "I also get thirsty" maybe deflects from the issue at hand. Or... That may be a show of support, in sharing of a common burden, a message of, "You are not alone in this struggle." Rather than always seeing it as a negative, maybe allow for the possibility that it's coming from a different place. Honestly, I feel like this whole sentiment of, "Don't attempt to bring any context into a conversation. Only stick strictly to what one person has decided to talk about." is not only counterproductive in that moment, but also in the medium and long term has a marked effect in shutting down future conversations about difficult and uncomfortable topics. I mean, how many times does a person get into a conversation that starts with, "Can we talk about X?" or "Let's have an open, honest discussion about Y?"...only to add something to that conversation and be told, "No, you're wrong for bringing that up. We're only talking about X and why it's the worst thing ever."... before they get to the point where the next time someone says, "Can we talk about Z?" they just say, "No, sorry. Not interested."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling a person wandering through the desert "I also get thirsty" maybe deflects from the issue at hand. Or... That may be a show of support, in sharing of a common burden, a message of, "You are not alone in this struggle." Rather than always seeing it as a negative, maybe allow for the possibility that it's coming from a different place. Honestly, I feel like this whole sentiment of, "Don't attempt to bring any context into a conversation. Only stick strictly to what one person has decided to talk about." is not only counterproductive in that moment, but also in the medium and long term has a marked effect in shutting down future conversations about difficult and uncomfortable topics. I mean, how many times does a person get into a conversation that starts with, "Can we talk about X?" or "Let's have an open, honest discussion about Y?"...only to add something to that conversation and be told, "No, you're wrong for bringing that up. We're only talking about X and why it's the worst thing ever."... before they get to the point where the next time someone says, "Can we talk about Z?" they just say, "No, sorry. Not interested."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago Many of these problems while not strictly zero sum are pretty close to it. permalink fedilink source parent