▲ 948 ▼ FCC says “too bad” to ISPs complaining that listing every fee is too hard (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by Powderhorn@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org 138 comments fedilink hide all child comments Aww ... poor little ISPs.
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Why does everyone try to prove everyone else wrong? That entire first paragraph is completely unnecessary. You can simply add to a discussion without being "well actually " about some detail you want to nitpick. The other two paragraphs are spot on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because it's a meaningful distinction. The issue isn't them passing the cost to their customers. It's them lying about their prices instead of telling you what they're going to charge you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They government is charging them those fees. And the government has said that they do not need to pass those fees onto the customer. In order to operate they must pay those fees. They do not need to charge the customer those fees. But they do anyways. Thus, they are passing the cost of doing business onto the customer. Read the quoted text. Is it the only issue? No. It is part of the issue. And the FCC called them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) They will literally always pass all of their costs of doing business to their customers. That's what businesses are and it is impossible to function any other way. It is not in any way part of the issue. There is exactly one issue here. It's adding these fees on top of the price you advertised to the customer with absolutely zero way for the customer to find out the actual price they'll be charged. That's the only thing the FCC cares about here and the entire issue. Anything else is a lie and a misdirection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ok yeah I can see that. Thank you for breaking it down like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Album@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago Not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong... that's a really odd and unnecessarily defensive take. It's just a discussion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cheer@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's really one of the worst things brought over from reddit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I like to imagine people doing that in an every day conversation. It's ridiculous. No one would ever talk to them lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like a friendly enough response was given to your comment and you automatically assumed they were only interested in saying you're wrong. Having a discussion is not "proving everyone wrong" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my point, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Especially when they were wrong. They're obviously going to pass along any actual cost they have one way or another. That's not what's shady or what's being addressed. It's the $60 ***(plus $100 in unlisted fees we literally won't even let our support provide or estimate on signup) to lie about prices that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, do you only have conversations with people who agree with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in real life don't nitpick every word you say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent [–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago* I think it's worse here on Lemmy tbh Edit: wait fuck did I just do it by accident? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because it's a meaningful distinction. The issue isn't them passing the cost to their customers. It's them lying about their prices instead of telling you what they're going to charge you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They government is charging them those fees. And the government has said that they do not need to pass those fees onto the customer. In order to operate they must pay those fees. They do not need to charge the customer those fees. But they do anyways. Thus, they are passing the cost of doing business onto the customer. Read the quoted text. Is it the only issue? No. It is part of the issue. And the FCC called them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) They will literally always pass all of their costs of doing business to their customers. That's what businesses are and it is impossible to function any other way. It is not in any way part of the issue. There is exactly one issue here. It's adding these fees on top of the price you advertised to the customer with absolutely zero way for the customer to find out the actual price they'll be charged. That's the only thing the FCC cares about here and the entire issue. Anything else is a lie and a misdirection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ok yeah I can see that. Thank you for breaking it down like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They government is charging them those fees. And the government has said that they do not need to pass those fees onto the customer. In order to operate they must pay those fees. They do not need to charge the customer those fees. But they do anyways. Thus, they are passing the cost of doing business onto the customer. Read the quoted text. Is it the only issue? No. It is part of the issue. And the FCC called them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) They will literally always pass all of their costs of doing business to their customers. That's what businesses are and it is impossible to function any other way. It is not in any way part of the issue. There is exactly one issue here. It's adding these fees on top of the price you advertised to the customer with absolutely zero way for the customer to find out the actual price they'll be charged. That's the only thing the FCC cares about here and the entire issue. Anything else is a lie and a misdirection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ok yeah I can see that. Thank you for breaking it down like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) They will literally always pass all of their costs of doing business to their customers. That's what businesses are and it is impossible to function any other way. It is not in any way part of the issue. There is exactly one issue here. It's adding these fees on top of the price you advertised to the customer with absolutely zero way for the customer to find out the actual price they'll be charged. That's the only thing the FCC cares about here and the entire issue. Anything else is a lie and a misdirection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ok yeah I can see that. Thank you for breaking it down like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ok yeah I can see that. Thank you for breaking it down like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Album@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago Not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong... that's a really odd and unnecessarily defensive take. It's just a discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cheer@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's really one of the worst things brought over from reddit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I like to imagine people doing that in an every day conversation. It's ridiculous. No one would ever talk to them lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like a friendly enough response was given to your comment and you automatically assumed they were only interested in saying you're wrong. Having a discussion is not "proving everyone wrong" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my point, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Especially when they were wrong. They're obviously going to pass along any actual cost they have one way or another. That's not what's shady or what's being addressed. It's the $60 ***(plus $100 in unlisted fees we literally won't even let our support provide or estimate on signup) to lie about prices that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, do you only have conversations with people who agree with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in real life don't nitpick every word you say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent [–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago* I think it's worse here on Lemmy tbh Edit: wait fuck did I just do it by accident? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I like to imagine people doing that in an every day conversation. It's ridiculous. No one would ever talk to them lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like a friendly enough response was given to your comment and you automatically assumed they were only interested in saying you're wrong. Having a discussion is not "proving everyone wrong" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my point, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Especially when they were wrong. They're obviously going to pass along any actual cost they have one way or another. That's not what's shady or what's being addressed. It's the $60 ***(plus $100 in unlisted fees we literally won't even let our support provide or estimate on signup) to lie about prices that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, do you only have conversations with people who agree with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in real life don't nitpick every word you say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like a friendly enough response was given to your comment and you automatically assumed they were only interested in saying you're wrong. Having a discussion is not "proving everyone wrong" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my point, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Especially when they were wrong. They're obviously going to pass along any actual cost they have one way or another. That's not what's shady or what's being addressed. It's the $60 ***(plus $100 in unlisted fees we literally won't even let our support provide or estimate on signup) to lie about prices that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my point, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see what you mean too. I think a lot of people on Lemmy are just terminally online and so they don't have regular conversations with real people all that often. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Thank you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? You are the one who ranted about people proving you wrong. You made a big deal out of someone being perfectly pleasant replying to you. Your viewpoint of anyone responding to you with anything other than agreement as an attack seems to be the real issue. I'm not upset, you shouldn't be either, it's not that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Fingerthief@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Especially when they were wrong. They're obviously going to pass along any actual cost they have one way or another. That's not what's shady or what's being addressed. It's the $60 ***(plus $100 in unlisted fees we literally won't even let our support provide or estimate on signup) to lie about prices that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend reading either the quoted text, or the article. Preferably both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago I did. "Passing on costs" is entirely irrelevant to everything. The entire point of all of this is that service providers are using nebulous fee structures to lie about pricing. That's the entire thing. There is nothing else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, do you only have conversations with people who agree with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in real life don't nitpick every word you say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People in real life don't nitpick every word you say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago No, that's fair. But also, when you're conversing in "real life", people probably aren't paying that much attention to every word you say and don't care enough to "nitpick". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago* I think it's worse here on Lemmy tbh Edit: wait fuck did I just do it by accident? permalink fedilink source parent