▲ 385 ▼ Fairphone 5 Released (shop.fairphone.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by baseless_discourse@mander.xyz to c/technology@beehaw.org 194 comments fedilink hide all child comments With 5 years of OS support and 8 years of security update. Related threads: https://lemmy.world/post/4130880 https://lemmy.world/post/4129394 https://feddit.nl/post/2555704
[+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are offering a minimum of 8 years of software support. 5 years is the warranty. I'm not sure why OP wrote that, it's not what was announced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not, according to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". So, 5 years of os and other 3 years of security. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With the pace of OS updates that Fairphone had so far, it will be 8 years of OS updates. But only because the OS updates will be 3 years late. The FP4 just got Android 12 earlier this year, with no Android 13 in sight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago A good point. permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent [–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ah.. I will flash it with a custom rom anyway from day 1 :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] ImADifferentBird@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) 5 years of OS updates is more than you get from any other Android manufacturer. For everyone else in the space, you are lucky to get 3. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s 8 apparently 5 years is as long as most phones that I used last so there would be no point to buy it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability. That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago The high price actually cancels the point of the repairability. I can get a similar phone for easily €400-500 less. If I budget that extra price for repairs, I can get the battery and screen replaced quite a few times. I say that as an FP4 owner, who did the same calculation mistake there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hascat@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago slower How fast do you need your phone to be for sending messages, streaming video, or browsing the web? Every phone made in the last decade can do these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Samsung offers 4 years of os updates for many phones and watches. And news reported that pixel 8 will have better. If I recall correctly, Xiaomi recently declared the same for some of their phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years including security updates though right? If that's the flcase then fairphone's doing 8 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions. Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years. But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here. I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's a clear trajectory where this is heading. From 2027 the EU will enforce replaceable batteries and it looks like some other markets might follow. Software support duration is increasing a lot as well. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get most of the Fairphone's benefits on a regular Samsung in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses. So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unfortunately it's impossible to offer support for longer than the chipset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Actually in the past they updated their software even past the support from qualcomm, rewriting by themselves what was needed to allow and old chipset to run newer android version Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, well, they are just doing what custom ROM makers have been doing for a decade and a half. My old Droid 4 was also EOL after Android 4.1. Custom ROM makers pushed this up to Android 7.1 by ignoring the parts (e.g. the Kernel) that they couldn't update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago Sure, but the good is that this is the only company doing it. Also my Galaxy Nexus received a big kernel update from people at xda developers, but was by chance and good will of the people involved. Here they did it because they kept up the commercial promise behind the product they sell, something that basically no other company in this sector does (or they do, but with very short term promises). permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The price is also higher because they use fair trade gold and whatnot. Given the mission to clean up the electronics industry it's plesently suprising it doesn't cost more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are offering a minimum of 8 years of software support. 5 years is the warranty. I'm not sure why OP wrote that, it's not what was announced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not, according to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". So, 5 years of os and other 3 years of security. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With the pace of OS updates that Fairphone had so far, it will be 8 years of OS updates. But only because the OS updates will be 3 years late. The FP4 just got Android 12 earlier this year, with no Android 13 in sight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago A good point. permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent [–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ah.. I will flash it with a custom rom anyway from day 1 :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not, according to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". So, 5 years of os and other 3 years of security. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With the pace of OS updates that Fairphone had so far, it will be 8 years of OS updates. But only because the OS updates will be 3 years late. The FP4 just got Android 12 earlier this year, with no Android 13 in sight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago A good point. permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent [–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ah.. I will flash it with a custom rom anyway from day 1 :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not, according to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". So, 5 years of os and other 3 years of security. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With the pace of OS updates that Fairphone had so far, it will be 8 years of OS updates. But only because the OS updates will be 3 years late. The FP4 just got Android 12 earlier this year, with no Android 13 in sight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago A good point. permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent [–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ah.. I will flash it with a custom rom anyway from day 1 :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With the pace of OS updates that Fairphone had so far, it will be 8 years of OS updates. But only because the OS updates will be 3 years late. The FP4 just got Android 12 earlier this year, with no Android 13 in sight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago A good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago* Sorry, I misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I didn't realise they were talking about feature updates when they mentioned the 5 years. A security patch is still an update to the operating system and evidence of support, so my initial reaction was that they were wrong when they said "5 years of OS support". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ah.. I will flash it with a custom rom anyway from day 1 :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 point 2 years ago 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImADifferentBird@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) 5 years of OS updates is more than you get from any other Android manufacturer. For everyone else in the space, you are lucky to get 3. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s 8 apparently 5 years is as long as most phones that I used last so there would be no point to buy it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability. That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago The high price actually cancels the point of the repairability. I can get a similar phone for easily €400-500 less. If I budget that extra price for repairs, I can get the battery and screen replaced quite a few times. I say that as an FP4 owner, who did the same calculation mistake there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hascat@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago slower How fast do you need your phone to be for sending messages, streaming video, or browsing the web? Every phone made in the last decade can do these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Samsung offers 4 years of os updates for many phones and watches. And news reported that pixel 8 will have better. If I recall correctly, Xiaomi recently declared the same for some of their phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years including security updates though right? If that's the flcase then fairphone's doing 8 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions. Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years. But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here. I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's a clear trajectory where this is heading. From 2027 the EU will enforce replaceable batteries and it looks like some other markets might follow. Software support duration is increasing a lot as well. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get most of the Fairphone's benefits on a regular Samsung in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses. So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s 8 apparently 5 years is as long as most phones that I used last so there would be no point to buy it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability. That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago The high price actually cancels the point of the repairability. I can get a similar phone for easily €400-500 less. If I budget that extra price for repairs, I can get the battery and screen replaced quite a few times. I say that as an FP4 owner, who did the same calculation mistake there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hascat@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago slower How fast do you need your phone to be for sending messages, streaming video, or browsing the web? Every phone made in the last decade can do these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability. That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago The high price actually cancels the point of the repairability. I can get a similar phone for easily €400-500 less. If I budget that extra price for repairs, I can get the battery and screen replaced quite a few times. I say that as an FP4 owner, who did the same calculation mistake there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hascat@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago slower How fast do you need your phone to be for sending messages, streaming video, or browsing the web? Every phone made in the last decade can do these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability. That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 point 2 years ago You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago The high price actually cancels the point of the repairability. I can get a similar phone for easily €400-500 less. If I budget that extra price for repairs, I can get the battery and screen replaced quite a few times. I say that as an FP4 owner, who did the same calculation mistake there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hascat@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago slower How fast do you need your phone to be for sending messages, streaming video, or browsing the web? Every phone made in the last decade can do these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 point 2 years ago At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Samsung offers 4 years of os updates for many phones and watches. And news reported that pixel 8 will have better. If I recall correctly, Xiaomi recently declared the same for some of their phones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years including security updates though right? If that's the flcase then fairphone's doing 8 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions. Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years. But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here. I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's a clear trajectory where this is heading. From 2027 the EU will enforce replaceable batteries and it looks like some other markets might follow. Software support duration is increasing a lot as well. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get most of the Fairphone's benefits on a regular Samsung in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses. So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years including security updates though right? If that's the flcase then fairphone's doing 8 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions. Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years. But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here. I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions. Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years. But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here. I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's a clear trajectory where this is heading. From 2027 the EU will enforce replaceable batteries and it looks like some other markets might follow. Software support duration is increasing a lot as well. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get most of the Fairphone's benefits on a regular Samsung in a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses. So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses. So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Happens if you run a phone for long enough ^^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unfortunately it's impossible to offer support for longer than the chipset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Actually in the past they updated their software even past the support from qualcomm, rewriting by themselves what was needed to allow and old chipset to run newer android version Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, well, they are just doing what custom ROM makers have been doing for a decade and a half. My old Droid 4 was also EOL after Android 4.1. Custom ROM makers pushed this up to Android 7.1 by ignoring the parts (e.g. the Kernel) that they couldn't update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago Sure, but the good is that this is the only company doing it. Also my Galaxy Nexus received a big kernel update from people at xda developers, but was by chance and good will of the people involved. Here they did it because they kept up the commercial promise behind the product they sell, something that basically no other company in this sector does (or they do, but with very short term promises). permalink fedilink source parent [+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The price is also higher because they use fair trade gold and whatnot. Given the mission to clean up the electronics industry it's plesently suprising it doesn't cost more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Actually in the past they updated their software even past the support from qualcomm, rewriting by themselves what was needed to allow and old chipset to run newer android version Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, well, they are just doing what custom ROM makers have been doing for a decade and a half. My old Droid 4 was also EOL after Android 4.1. Custom ROM makers pushed this up to Android 7.1 by ignoring the parts (e.g. the Kernel) that they couldn't update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago Sure, but the good is that this is the only company doing it. Also my Galaxy Nexus received a big kernel update from people at xda developers, but was by chance and good will of the people involved. Here they did it because they kept up the commercial promise behind the product they sell, something that basically no other company in this sector does (or they do, but with very short term promises). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, well, they are just doing what custom ROM makers have been doing for a decade and a half. My old Droid 4 was also EOL after Android 4.1. Custom ROM makers pushed this up to Android 7.1 by ignoring the parts (e.g. the Kernel) that they couldn't update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago Sure, but the good is that this is the only company doing it. Also my Galaxy Nexus received a big kernel update from people at xda developers, but was by chance and good will of the people involved. Here they did it because they kept up the commercial promise behind the product they sell, something that basically no other company in this sector does (or they do, but with very short term promises). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M_Djallo@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago Sure, but the good is that this is the only company doing it. Also my Galaxy Nexus received a big kernel update from people at xda developers, but was by chance and good will of the people involved. Here they did it because they kept up the commercial promise behind the product they sell, something that basically no other company in this sector does (or they do, but with very short term promises). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] acastcandream@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The price is also higher because they use fair trade gold and whatnot. Given the mission to clean up the electronics industry it's plesently suprising it doesn't cost more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The price is also higher because they use fair trade gold and whatnot. Given the mission to clean up the electronics industry it's plesently suprising it doesn't cost more permalink fedilink source parent